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Originally Posted by easthome
You base your assumption on nothing more than God awful Mel Gibson Hollywood stereotypes! For a start the Scots ARE British! How can the 'British' not make good stewards when Scots ARE British?? In other words NOBODY is 'occupying' Scotland. Do you realise it was a Scottish King that United Scotland and England to create Britain (obviously not). Admit it go on you think Braveheart is historically accurate don't you?
And you make assumptions that have basis in fact what so ever, I have never seen the Mel Gibson movie!
I never said they were an occupied county but the people are close to going their own way. Ask a Scot what they think and they will say they are Scot not British, they came very close on the last vote to dissolving the union.
And you make assumptions that have basis in fact what so ever, I have never seen the Mel Gibson movie!
I never said they were an occupied county but the people are close to going their own way. Ask a Scot what they think and they will say they are Scot not British, they came very close on the last vote to dissolving the union.
The vote was close,but the Independence vote was not the winner. That should tell you something. How many true Scots do you know, as in born & bred there?
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Originally Posted by evening sun
The vote was close,but the Independence vote was not the winner. That should tell you something. How many true Scots do you know, as in born & bred there?
The last vote was close but the next is on the horizon. I have known a few although I never could quite understand what Carol was saying...
And you make assumptions that have basis in fact what so ever, I have never seen the Mel Gibson movie!
I never said they were an occupied county but the people are close to going their own way. Ask a Scot what they think and they will say they are Scot not British, they came very close on the last vote to dissolving the union.
Ask a Scot and they are more likely to call themselves both Scottish and British - ask an Englishman and you can say the same, however this has nothing to do with your daft assumption that Scotland is 'occupied' by the English! Braveheart or not it seems you must base this on the fact that Hollywood perpetually casts the 'English' man as the bad guy no? The fact is both yourself (and others who have quoted on here) for some reason seem to think that the English are some kind of invading force in Scotland! If anything it's the English that are oppressed! The Scots have their own devolved government as well as the British government! They get to vote on both Scottish and English political matters whereas the English don't get that privalege, the Scots get their prescriptions for free and don't suffer the student loans of their English counterparts, if anybody in Britain is 'oppressed' it's the nasty English, the only difference is unlike the Scots the English DONT get a vote on independence!! We want freedom from the Scottish oppressors! Freeeeeeeedom!
You tell them that, maybe American now but many I knew had the grandparents that came from the old country..
Grandparents!! That doesnt make them any more Irish than I am French! They are what we call 'plastic paddies', they have no more idea about Ireland than I have about Texas! Irish people don't watch baseball they support Celtic Football club.
Name one place on this planet where Brits were "good stewards". None? Duh, how surprising.
Relatively speaking? In almost every case, British rule was a net positive. Some cases were better than others of course.
Consider this. Take all of the 1st world, fully developed non-European world countries in the world. All of them come from one of two origins:
Never fully colonized. Examples: Japan, South Korea.
Colonized by the UK. Examples: Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the United States, South Africa, Hong Kong, Singapore.
Can anyone name for me the former colonies of France, Spain, Portugal, Belgium or the Netherlands that have evolved into thriving modern 1st world nations? Exceptions may exist, but I can't think of any.
Ireland, Wales and Scotland were taken against their will under English domination. I think it's fair to say that they did not benefit from that domination overall. But to characterize British rule as "always bad, never good" is to ignore history. Whether by accident or on purpose, the Brits had traditions and governmental institutions they passed on to their former colonies which gave them a rather massive advantage compared to colonies of the French, Spanish or other colonial powers.
Relatively speaking? In almost every case, British rule was a net positive. Some cases were better than others of course.
Consider this. Take all of the 1st world, fully developed non-European world countries in the world. All of them come from one of two origins:
Never fully colonized. Examples: Japan, South Korea.
Colonized by the UK. Examples: Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the United States, South Africa, Hong Kong, Singapore.
Can anyone name for me the former colonies of France, Spain, Portugal, Belgium or the Netherlands that have evolved into thriving modern 1st world nations? Exceptions may exist, but I can't think of any.
Ireland, Wales and Scotland were taken against their will under English domination. I think it's fair to say that they did not benefit from that domination overall. But to characterize British rule as "always bad, never good" is to ignore history. Whether by accident or on purpose, the Brits had traditions and governmental institutions they passed on to their former colonies which gave them a rather massive advantage compared to colonies of the French, Spanish or other colonial powers.
Quebec (now part of the aforementioned Canada albeit grudgingly at times).
Grandparents!! That doesnt make them any more Irish than I am French! They are what we call 'plastic paddies', they have no more idea about Ireland than I have about Texas! Irish people don't watch baseball they support Celtic Football club.
Now easthome, you are being pig-headed and dismissive.
Plenty of people over here are quite up on Irish history and know about the Troubles. Dismissing them out of hand is a way of unilaterally shutting down the debate, as much as there is one anymore.
Irish-Americans are the second biggest ethnic group in the United States. Many still keep in touch with family over in Eire. They have an opinion. Just because it does not jive with yours is no reason to be condescending and bigoted.
Come on old man. Ditch the hackneyed references to movies and make your points in a civil manner.
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