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Old 04-23-2020, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Didn't Reagen's Amnesty Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 essentially turn California, which was once a solid red state, in to a solid democrat state overnight and forever afterwards?
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Old 04-23-2020, 04:58 PM
 
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I see that Americans often blame immigration and demographic change for the rise of the American left and the change into that direction. As a nordic I'm telling you this is an epic cope. The nordic countries are the most leftist on earth safe for actual literal communist states and historically they have been 90+% white. Nations like Iceland are still 90+% white. And they still have leftist feminist government crap.



Sorry but demographics has nothing to do with if a nation goes left or not. If this was so then nations like Iceland would be hard conservative but instead they are 10x more leftist than the USA is. Despite being 90+% white.



The leftward shift in the USA was always going to happen with or without immigration. Market economics are failing and the ideas of neo-liberalism don't appeal to people anymore. So they are moving away from the right. Nothing to do with demographics.
Really? What party have nationalized citizens voted for mostly in the past few decades?
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Old 04-23-2020, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Here is who is responsible:

Democrat Party
EDUCATION
Universities (see above)
Most of GOVERNMENT and their PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS
MEDIA
Entertainment
Social Media
and now Corporate America. Comcast, MSN, Apple, Google, Facebook, etc.

and ILLEGAL ALIENS
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Old 04-23-2020, 05:03 PM
 
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For me, the cost of them is secondary to the fact that we should know who is here from another country. No European country allows illegal immigration (sneaking across the border) like the US. None. Canada doesn't either.
Wait. I thought Trump fixed that. Wasn't that his entire campaign?

Sounds like he's a failure.

And don't for a minute say it is the Democrats' fault he didn't get it done. He had two years of a clear majority in the House and Senate and Supreme Court. He could have done whatever he wanted, essentially. But, he didn't get it done.
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Old 04-23-2020, 05:22 PM
 
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Wait. I thought Trump fixed that. Wasn't that his entire campaign?

Sounds like he's a failure.

And don't for a minute say it is the Democrats' fault he didn't get it done. He had two years of a clear majority in the House and Senate and Supreme Court. He could have done whatever he wanted, essentially. But, he didn't get it done.
He's working on it right now building the wall. This topic is about naturalized citizens (former immigrants) not illegal aliens, duh. There never was a filibuster proof majority so what are you talking about? The Democrats fought him tooth and nail. No, he could not have done whatever he wanted to. He is not a failure.
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Old 04-23-2020, 10:08 PM
 
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Wait. I thought Trump fixed that. Wasn't that his entire campaign?

Sounds like he's a failure.

And don't for a minute say it is the Democrats' fault he didn't get it done. He had two years of a clear majority in the House and Senate and Supreme Court. He could have done whatever he wanted, essentially. But, he didn't get it done.
I don't like Trump, am not a Republican, and would never vote for him, but he and the Republicans haven't had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate for even one minute of his Presidency.

ETA: after my post hit/posted I noticed that Old Glory beat me to it with the point I was making.
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Old 04-23-2020, 10:22 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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I see that Americans often blame immigration and demographic change for the rise of the American left and the change into that direction. As a nordic I'm telling you this is an epic cope. The nordic countries are the most leftist on earth safe for actual literal communist states and historically they have been 90+% white. Nations like Iceland are still 90+% white. And they still have leftist feminist government crap.



Sorry but demographics has nothing to do with if a nation goes left or not. If this was so then nations like Iceland would be hard conservative but instead they are 10x more leftist than the USA is. Despite being 90+% white.



The leftward shift in the USA was always going to happen with or without immigration. Market economics are failing and the ideas of neo-liberalism don't appeal to people anymore. So they are moving away from the right. Nothing to do with demographics.
America was far MORE conservative without immigration. Most recent immigrants vote liberal because of racial and identity politics pushed by the Democrats. Later generations tend to become more conservative depending on their level of assimilation.

My parents are Chinese and Taiwanese immigrants who came LEGALLY, I'm a native born American. My mom started out as a moderate and still moderate, my dad was apolitical at first and is now conservative. I am now solidly conservative, being shaped mostly by the white Southern and rural social circles I've been around most of my life. I'm also Christian and my religion is another major reason why I'm a conservative Republican because one cannot be a Christian and support Democrat policies like abortion and gay marriage as these things are explicitly banned by the Bible, and it would be a sin to vote for someone who supports them. Most second generation people who are less assimilated tend to be more liberal especially Mexicans.
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Old 04-24-2020, 05:08 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Wait. I thought Trump fixed that. Wasn't that his entire campaign?

Sounds like he's a failure.

And don't for a minute say it is the Democrats' fault he didn't get it done. He had two years of a clear majority in the House and Senate and Supreme Court. He could have done whatever he wanted, essentially. But, he didn't get it done.
Nope. Republicans never had a supermajority in the Senate (required for cloture) during that time, meaning the Dems could block whatever they didn't want. Seems you don't understand how Congress passes bills.
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Old 04-24-2020, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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You can't compare a multi-racial & multi-cultural nation like the U.S. to the mostly mono-racial & mono-cultural nations of Scandinavia.

America probably would be socialist-democrat if America were still a 90% + predominantly white nation.
People feel safe voting for socialism when there is homogeneity among the population, and they trust that their government is actually representing them. That is definitely not the case in the U.S., at the moment we're too divided and there are too many differences to create a "socialist utopia" like Norway and Sweden.

To be totally accurate, Norway and Sweden are NOT purely socialist nations, they have capitalist economies.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

The dirty little secret that both the left and the "mainstream" right don't want to acknowledge...
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Old 04-24-2020, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Corporate socialism was the final straw for me. I can't support either party now. They are going to prop up markets and bail out corporations that should be forced to file chapter 11... it's time for me to check out from the system. It no longer fits my needs.

Democrats are police state communists at heart who want to emulate China's social credit system, and republicans are corporate socialists that want to blow up and then bail out irresponsible debt bubbles. There's nobody rational left in politics at the federal level. We are going down a rabbit hole of entitlement that will lead to collapse.
Democrats/Republicans are just two wings of the same diseased bird.

We have an economy that is now largely controlled by the Federal Reserve.
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