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picture yourself with just enough money in the bank for two weeks worth of bills and food and a family of four to take care of. I know if someone told me there was a 1% chance somebody would shoot me if i stepped out that door, well i would still do it. And between proper hygiene, social distancing and masks your odds are better then 1%.
I was talking about this earlier with a coworker and he said something that really got me thinking...
We have a fairly large protesting group in my state right now, that is demanding the governor re open everything and allow people to go back to work...now, from what the CDC is saying currently, this is a VERY BAD idea!
Maybe all these people are only saying they want everything re opened, people going to back work, etc...when what they really want, is for the number of infected to explode and skyrocket as soon as everything re opens...then of course, everything will be forced to shut down again...and for MUCH longer?
It makes sense to me. NO sane person should be calling for places to re open at this point, (especially with what the CDC is saying currently!), doing this will be like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
I was listening to our cashiers talk to customers in the store today, and many were making comments on our state deciding to re open places, (it was was split 50/50 between those for it and those against it), but one common thing I did hear, from majority of people....if places did re open soon, they, personally, would NOT be going or taking their families, (that was pretty interesting), I would have thought people that agreed with re opening, would be more likely to start going out again, taking their families out, I was WRONG.
what kind of business do you work in? And you're in Kentucky, yes?
In your free association thinking, you believe the protestors want it opened up so that a higher rate of people will be infected and die? A rate that would be unacceptable to smart people?
People are closed in their homes and we don't know how much this will last... when we will finally go out and come to the every day life, we will have nothing to come back to.
Factories are dying, everything is closing, as a lot of people said "we will destroy ourselves". Is this what is happening now? Are we destroying ourselves?
It is a given that COVID19 is going to be with us for the foreseeable future, and there will be some level of deaths. If now is too soon, at what level of deaths would you be willing to accept and to have things reopen in your state? Zero?
Our Governor has stated "decreasing cases" as a condition of re-opening in pushing our state back to May 8th. Not new cases. Total cases. Now, it's changed to "leveling off of cases".
14 days ago, we were 52 new cases. The next highest since that day was 36, 4 days later. Since the 36 we've been: 14,13,13,3,15,7,7,8.
This is in a population of 11MM.
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What many seem to forget is that if the government orders shutting things down are reversed and businesses reopen, most businesses will expect their employees to show up for work again. But many have highly vulnerable family members at home and bringing it home from work would prove fatal to them. Others have children who will not be returning to school and may not be able to afford to pay for childcare to be able to go to work. I have absolutely zero interest in bringing this virus home to my elderly father because the money-centric amongst us wants me to go back to work. Opening up before people actually want to be in these places is going to backfire not just in terms of virus outbreaks but in terms of people likely refusing to into work (and under OSHA rules you really do have a right to refuse to work if you believe it poses a threat to your health or life). All the worries people have about paying their bills, getting food, etc., can be solved without telling everyone to go back to work. We need a stronger safety net like other modern countries have. I think some of the political hacks who demand things reopen are worried because this will likely be the death knell for the anti-safety net far-right politics.
The President pushes for states to reopen. Some or all governors acquiesce to the President and to protesters. Cases skyrocket. Deaths skyrocket. The death rate isn't 0.1% like some say, but hovers around 2.5% or so. There is going to be much discussion about how many more deaths we had in this country due to reopening when we did.
Republicans blame Pelosi, Obama and Biden. Somehow?
The President pushes for states to reopen. Some or all governors acquiesce to the President and to protesters. Cases skyrocket. Deaths skyrocket. The death rate isn't 0.1% like some say, but hovers around 2.5% or so. There is going to be much discussion about how many more deaths we had in this country due to reopening when we did.
Republicans blame Pelosi, Obama and Biden. Somehow?
Sorry but science doesn't support your 2.5% or so death rate. Even the worst hit state of New York it's only about 0.5% according to the statistical study that Gov. Cuomo agrees with indicating about 3 million New Yorkers have been infected.
Panic and hype working as desired. IF the infection and death rate doesn't rise dramatically as businesses open, that will change, and fairly quickly. People will understand that going about life doesn't mean you die next week, and that this bug, while very serious, has been dramatically overhyped for the average person.
whenever widely-used antibody tests provide results, we'er going to be left with some hard realities.
Crazy new bug shows up, and the only things we know about it are: we don't have a treatment; it has a long incubation period; when hospitalized the outcomes are worse; the effects are worse for the elderly and health-compromised.
Given what was unknown about above, and the other unknowns that still exist (can we find a vaccine or treatment?), we enacted a strategy called FLATTEN THE CURVE. The "best" models at the time showed really dramatic rates of increase and negative outcomes.
Now, not only have we successfully flattened the curve, but the models have been revised as more information became available.
HOWEVER, 30 days later, some are now telling us "it's not enough". They act as if "flatten the curve" wasn't the actual goal. SO...the strategy worked, the curve was flattened, all #'s look better, but we can't even return to "15 days to fight the virus" and practice good hygiene, some mask wearing, and a 6 ft distance?
Well that is the goal of Leftists...to destroy America's success has been their goal for decades.
It certainly has been their goal for 3+ years. All Democrats? No. But the far-leftists and socialist democrats, absolutely. To fundamentally change the structure of our country so that "success" and "achievement" are bad words that should be replaced with "equality of outcome" and "fairness".
I assume if folks refuse to go back to work, they'll be laid off and thus allowed to collect unemployment. Which includes 26 weeks (6 months) of an extra $600 ... which in 37 states will pay them on average more to stay home than work.
What many seem to forget is that if the government orders shutting things down are reversed and businesses reopen, most businesses will expect their employees to show up for work again. But many have highly vulnerable family members at home and bringing it home from work would prove fatal to them. Others have children who will not be returning to school and may not be able to afford to pay for childcare to be able to go to work. I have absolutely zero interest in bringing this virus home to my elderly father because the money-centric amongst us wants me to go back to work. Opening up before people actually want to be in these places is going to backfire not just in terms of virus outbreaks but in terms of people likely refusing to into work (and under OSHA rules you really do have a right to refuse to work if you believe it poses a threat to your health or life). All the worries people have about paying their bills, getting food, etc., can be solved without telling everyone to go back to work. We need a stronger safety net like other modern countries have. I think some of the political hacks who demand things reopen are worried because this will likely be the death knell for the anti-safety net far-right politics.
TallTraveler - exhibit A.
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