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Old 04-24-2020, 12:15 AM
 
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I was talking about this earlier with a coworker and he said something that really got me thinking...


We have a fairly large protesting group in my state right now, that is demanding the governor re open everything and allow people to go back to work...now, from what the CDC is saying currently, this is a VERY BAD idea!


Maybe all these people are only saying they want everything re opened, people going to back work, etc...when what they really want, is for the number of infected to explode and skyrocket as soon as everything re opens...then of course, everything will be forced to shut down again...and for MUCH longer?


It makes sense to me. NO sane person should be calling for places to re open at this point, (especially with what the CDC is saying currently!), doing this will be like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.


I was listening to our cashiers talk to customers in the store today, and many were making comments on our state deciding to re open places, (it was was split 50/50 between those for it and those against it), but one common thing I did hear, from majority of people....if places did re open soon, they, personally, would NOT be going or taking their families, (that was pretty interesting), I would have thought people that agreed with re opening, would be more likely to start going out again, taking their families out, I was WRONG.
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Old 04-24-2020, 12:48 AM
 
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I think those folk all need to do a big group hug to prove how safe life is now that Potus is selling his patented snake oil, good for what ails you, 90% pure kerosene, the purest and best available.
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Old 04-24-2020, 12:57 AM
 
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I was listening to our cashiers talk to customers in the store today, and many were making comments on our state deciding to re open places, (it was was split 50/50 between those for it and those against it), but one common thing I did hear, from majority of people....if places did re open soon, they, personally, would NOT be going or taking their families, (that was pretty interesting), I would have thought people that agreed with re opening, would be more likely to start going out again, taking their families out, I was WRONG.
Hopefully that was a lesson for you. People can choose to act appropriately without being forced by government.
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Old 04-24-2020, 01:30 AM
 
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It is a given that COVID19 is going to be with us for the foreseeable future, and there will be some level of deaths. If now is too soon, at what level of deaths would you be willing to accept and to have things reopen in your state? Zero?
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Old 04-24-2020, 01:39 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I was talking about this earlier with a coworker and he said something that really got me thinking...


We have a fairly large protesting group in my state right now, that is demanding the governor re open everything and allow people to go back to work...now, from what the CDC is saying currently, this is a VERY BAD idea!


Maybe all these people are only saying they want everything re opened, people going to back work, etc...when what they really want, is for the number of infected to explode and skyrocket as soon as everything re opens...then of course, everything will be forced to shut down again...and for MUCH longer?


It makes sense to me. NO sane person should be calling for places to re open at this point, (especially with what the CDC is saying currently!), doing this will be like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.


I was listening to our cashiers talk to customers in the store today, and many were making comments on our state deciding to re open places, (it was was split 50/50 between those for it and those against it), but one common thing I did hear, from majority of people....if places did re open soon, they, personally, would NOT be going or taking their families, (that was pretty interesting), I would have thought people that agreed with re opening, would be more likely to start going out again, taking their families out, I was WRONG.
If you're scared of getting the COVID-19 virus, then please simply stay at home. If you must go out to get something, please wear a mask. Several years ago in my town, when a professor died of the flu at his home, nobody said the town had to shut down. For now, nobody in my town has died from COVID-19. It's time to start reopening the town, so I can get a haircut, though I hope the barber will have a mask on.
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Old 04-24-2020, 01:53 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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As I’ve said, the economy will have to open up very soon (not months or years from now) and whether you realize it or not, more sacrifices (deaths) will be made to get our economy going. If you believe nobody is expendable, you’re not living in reality.

This virus is here to stay and it will continue to kill a lot more people even with vaccines and treatments. Staying at home is NOT going to stop the spread of infection, obviously.

People have to eat, feed their family, pay bills, have sex, have kids, love, laugh, LIVE LIFE!
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Old 04-24-2020, 02:03 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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If you're scared of getting the COVID-19 virus, then please simply stay at home. If you must go out to get something, please wear a mask. Several years ago in my town, when a professor died of the flu at his home, nobody said the town had to shut down. For now, nobody in my town has died from COVID-19. It's time to start reopening the town, so I can get a haircut, though I hope the barber will have a mask on.
The media has really did a number on folks. They’ve got a lot of people so scared, they believe contracting covid is certain death for anyone at any age.

I agree, people that don’t trust their own health should remain home till this virus disappears, which will be a very very long time.

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Old 04-24-2020, 02:21 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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I've found that the goals and points of the protesters have generally been much more nuanced than the OP gives them credit for.
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Old 04-24-2020, 02:29 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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I've found that the goals and points of the protesters have generally been much more nuanced than the OP gives them credit for.
Most humans, like the OP, do not get beyond strait-jacketed either/or thinking, willingly or unwillingly.

My understanding is that Sweden is following a different approach than most of the rest of the world, and the results in terms of officially recorded cases and deaths, from what I can gather (it's hotly debated), are about the same as everywhere else.

Point is, indeed, people can voluntarily decide their own risk-taking limits.


However, I do wonder about those who may not want to take the CoViD-19 roulette risk too soon but may be told by an employer that they have to go back to work.

What "fair" solution for them? Another six months of unemployment benefits perhaps? Any other ideas?
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Old 04-24-2020, 02:59 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I was talking about this earlier with a coworker and he said something that really got me thinking...


We have a fairly large protesting group in my state right now, that is demanding the governor re open everything and allow people to go back to work...now, from what the CDC is saying currently, this is a VERY BAD idea!


Maybe all these people are only saying they want everything re opened, people going to back work, etc...when what they really want, is for the number of infected to explode and skyrocket as soon as everything re opens...then of course, everything will be forced to shut down again...and for MUCH longer?


It makes sense to me. NO sane person should be calling for places to re open at this point, (especially with what the CDC is saying currently!), doing this will be like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.


I was listening to our cashiers talk to customers in the store today, and many were making comments on our state deciding to re open places, (it was was split 50/50 between those for it and those against it), but one common thing I did hear, from majority of people....if places did re open soon, they, personally, would NOT be going or taking their families, (that was pretty interesting), I would have thought people that agreed with re opening, would be more likely to start going out again, taking their families out, I was WRONG.
My thoughts:
1. I don't believe our Governors or the President are within their authority to tell people they can't work to feed themselves and their families or travel where they want.
2. The states that never closed had far fewer cases in general than the states that closed down.
3. People at high risk can avoid going places where they think it's risky

So yes, I believe the President and Governors should reopen ASAP (as in yesterday or a few days before)
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