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Originally Posted by RowingFiend
The problem is that the official number of deaths being attributed to COVID19 isn’t accurate. There is a difference between dying from this virus and dying with the virus.
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Originally Posted by bjh
For those not paying attention or willfully ignoring the number of deaths includes many cases attributed. Physicians have been told to attribute deaths to covid-19 when rationally they should not be. Expect this to come out more in the coming months if any reliable study is done. The media and Dems will fight that tooth and nail, of course. The left wants you to THINK the number of deaths is 50k+. That doesn't mean it IS 50+k. The sky is not falling.
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No, physicians have not been told to "attribute deaths to covid-19 when rationally they should not be".
What they have been told is to attribute deaths
clinically compatible with COVID-19 to COVID-19 even if confirmatory testing was not done. That would include people who died at home with signs and symptoms of COVID-9.
If you have been diagnosed with COVID-19 and you die, it will
almost always be due to COVID-19. We know now that the virus attacks almost every organ in the body. The increased propensity to clotting causes strokes and heart attacks. Therefore, even if you had known coronary heart disease, having a fatal heart attack while infected with COVID-19
almost certainly means the virus was the reason you died
now. Having a fatal stroke while infected with COVID-19 almost certainly means the virus killed you.
Ignoring such deaths leads to under counting of COVID-19 deaths.
The guidelines for certifying COVID-19 deaths:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
"When reporting cause of death on a death certificate, use any information available, such as medical history, medical records, laboratory tests, an autopsy report, or other sources of relevant information. Similar to many other diagnoses, a cause-of-death statement is an informed medical opinion that should be based on sound medical judgment drawn from clinical training and experience, as well as knowledge of current disease states and local trends."
"If COVID–19 played a role in the death, this condition should be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is likely that it will be the UCOD [underlying cause of death], as it can lead to various lifethreatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). In these cases, COVID–19 should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I with the other conditions to which it gave rise listed on the lines above it."
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In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible."
"When a death is due to COVID–19, it is likely the UCOD and thus, it should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I of the death certificate. Ideally, testing for COVID–19 should be conducted, but it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate without this confirmation if the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty."
There is an additional section on the death certificate to report other conditions that may have increased the risk of getting COVID-19, such as COPD, diabetes, hypertension, and obesity.
If you have COVID-19 and you commit suicide, then the circumstances of the suicide are the underlying cause of death, and COVID-19 goes in the other conditions section.
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