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Old 04-26-2020, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The state didn’t issue a shutdown order. That was left up to the local county officials based on need. I live in Harris County, which is the Houston area, and we have been on shutdown orders since March 24th, and schools have been shut down since March 7th for most as they never returned from Spring Break.

Just goes to show that you can’t believe everything you read in the news.

We were discussing the state response not local government, many of the counties and cities went ahead on their own closing schools and businesses. Texas was one of the last to close schools statewide and waited until April to issue a stay at home order or whatever it was that Abbott issued.


We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks but it is in violation of the CDC guidelines.
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Old 04-26-2020, 09:19 AM
 
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Does anyone really trust the numbers coming out of Texas? They consistently have been at or near the bottom of testing, currently sitting at 47th out of 50 states. Only 0.9% of the population has been tested. Texas has rural counties with no doctor and closed rural hospitals.

Texas has had a long-standing problem with inaccurate and incomplete death certificates prior to COVID-19.

The case numbers and death stats coming out of Texas are likely under-reported in a significant way, which means their governor is making his reopening decisions based on incomplete data that hides the true severity of the pandemic there.
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Old 04-26-2020, 09:28 AM
 
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I’ve been seeing the predictions of Texas and Florida becoming hotspots since early April and it just hasn’t happened. It does tell me that our weather and our built-in social distancing turns out to be a good thing. We drive our own cars and live in single family dwellings at a higher rate than people in the Northeast. Even our apartments have doors that lead outside instead of in tall buildings with the need for elevators.

It’s nice to see that our weather is good for something, because it sometimes feels like living in the Ninth Circle of Hell.
And most schools were on spring break in the second week of March so a major point of transmission was already closed.

I can’t stand Abbott, but I think he was right in the beginning when he said conditions varied across the state and local officials should make closure decisions. Of course now he’s going to make opening decisions for everyone.

Guess we’ll find out in a few weeks if that was a good idea or not.
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Old 04-26-2020, 09:35 AM
 
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Texas was one of the last states to issue a shelter in place order or whatever Abbott called it and now they're one of the first to open. The response by Texas was weak, their low infection rate has nothing to do with anything other than geography. None of their leaders took this disease seriously and now they swept past the guidelines and went right to phase 3.
We didn't need Abbott to do anything. You're painting a false picture. And how do you conclude Texas has a low infection rate? We really have no idea.

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Old 04-26-2020, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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We were discussing the state response not local government, many of the counties and cities went ahead on their own closing schools and businesses. Texas was one of the last to close schools statewide and waited until April to issue a stay at home order or whatever it was that Abbott issued.


We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks but it is in violation of the CDC guidelines.
A guideline is just that; a guideline. It’s not a law; therefore one cannot be “in violation”.
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Old 04-26-2020, 09:39 AM
 
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We were discussing the state response not local government, many of the counties and cities went ahead on their own closing schools and businesses. Texas was one of the last to close schools statewide and waited until April to issue a stay at home order or whatever it was that Abbott issued.


We will see how this plays out in the coming weeks but it is in violation of the CDC guidelines.
You just can’t let it go and understand why the governor allowed the county officials to make the call, but it was a calculated decision based on our needs and was the right thing to do.
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Old 04-26-2020, 09:41 AM
 
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Does anyone really trust the numbers coming out of Texas? They consistently have been at or near the bottom of testing, currently sitting at 47th out of 50 states. Only 0.9% of the population has been tested. Texas has rural counties with no doctor and closed rural hospitals.

Texas has had a long-standing problem with inaccurate and incomplete death certificates prior to COVID-19.

The case numbers and death stats coming out of Texas are likely under-reported in a significant way, which means their governor is making his reopening decisions based on incomplete data that hides the true severity of the pandemic there.
I’m quite sure that if the disease was bad here our elected officials would notice an unusually high number of patients coming to the ER or people being found dead in their houses. Testing isn’t the only indicator of a problem you know.

I went to your article about filling out death certificates, which was from 2018 and said a new system was coming out in 2019, so this problem may have already fixed itself. But even if it hasn’t, it sure isn’t the smoking gun you seem to think it is.
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Old 04-26-2020, 09:51 AM
 
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You just can’t let it go and understand why the governor allowed the county officials to make the call, but it was a calculated decision based on our needs and was the right thing to do.
I don’t understand why he allowed counties to make the call to close (which I agreed with) but says his orders to open supersede local officials.
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Old 04-26-2020, 10:18 AM
 
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I don’t understand why he allowed counties to make the call to close (which I agreed with) but says his orders to open supersede local officials.
Because it’s become politicized, and Democratic local leaders want to keep everything shut down until there is a vaccine or an order to vote by mail, with no care for all the people who have been out of work for weeks now when the original plan was suggested to flatten the curve. The curve is flattened and people need to get back to work.
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Old 04-26-2020, 10:34 AM
 
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Because it’s become politicized, and Democratic local leaders want to keep everything shut down until there is a vaccine or an order to vote by mail, with no care for all the people who have been out of work for weeks now when the original plan was suggested to flatten the curve. The curve is flattened and people need to get back to work.
Exactly and he, as the Governor, has the right to do what he did.
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