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Dallas County is not a "liberal" county. It is a Democrat county, which is not the same thing at all.
Well that's true, Democrats today are progressives and socialists, they moved so far to the left of "liberals" to the point they actively hate many liberal values such as free markets, limited government, individual rights, capitalism, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion
So how does a state than ranks near the bottom in testing and health care manage the spread of the virus. Do they have a plan or just tossing it out there, doesn't appear that this was very well thought out. What is the plan for contact tracing, have they developed a team to yet or does that come in a few weeks.
I don't care what New York State, California, Michigan, South Dakota, Georgia or any other State does - it's up to the people who live in those States to decide ... as long as they don't use/confiscate MY money to pay for THEIR choices. I still don't see who those who live in New York care what we do in Texas or any other State. Our Health Care and Preparation is good enough that we didn't go on the TeeVee every single day whining we HAD to have 40,000 Ventilators (and then not use them) OR that the Federal Taxpayer (that would be ME) HAD to build Medical Facilities (which were not used) send a Navy Hospital Ship (which was not used) and spent Billions and Billions of Dollars to send the whiners stuff they did NOT need OR use.
I guess we could put ankle monitors on every citizen to "trace" them, but you would have to catch them first. We could use Drones like some Cities, but those suckers are expensive and it real likely somebody would shoot them out of the sky - Down here, we tend to be polite and respect other people's space - that space has increased to 6-12 Ft now. We "chip" our cats and dogs so they can be found if they get out of the house or yard. Chipping people is not going to go over well.
Texas has a very, very good data process -- oddly enough, we TEST every person that is admitted for Covid-19 .... more importantly, we TEST every death to see if Covid-19 is present. Also oddly enough, we don't force Senior and Rehabilitation Facilities to accept Covid-19 SICK people to infect everyone in the building .... but, Hey - we are just hicks down here in Texas and probably didn't think that was the correct Protocol like the Elites in New York State. We locked down those facilities, not ever Family is allowed to enter ..... AND they still aren't allowed to enter, possibly for several more months.
In Texas - we don't put dozens of bodies in Trucks and park them by the curb with the assumption they died of Covid -19. All cases are CONFIRMED - one way or the other. That is not the Protocol by the CDC and many of the Leftist States. The CDC is still using "Presumed Covid-19".
Texas has a reasonable test positivity rate. Can't find the article right now, but they were +/- near the 10% rate that indicates it is testing on an accurate level of positive cases. While Abbott seems to talk a big opening, it seems like their plan is actually on a very step-by-step basis. As with all of this, we will just have to wait and see.
I don't really think they have the downward trajectory that is part of the requirements though, but that Fed guideline is not very clear, so it could be argued they are.... if you worked at it.
They are mainly basing the phased opening on the Original Criteria - which was "Flatten the Curve" to make sure that Hospitals can handle all cases if needed. There are a few Counties with increasing cases and those Counties will adjust accordingly ... but even in the Counties with more daily cases, the key is they have a LOT of excess Hospital Beds, Medical Staff, ICU units and huge supply of Ventilators.
Right Now - there are 1,778 Confirmed Covid-19 cases in the hospitals all over Texas - with a Population of 29.90 million. For a State this size, that's not very many. Total deaths from Confirmed Covid-19 in Texas as of today is 816 (close to 15% of those were in Senior Facilities and over 80% are age 60+, with the largest group 75+.
Total Tests as of today is 351,775 ... testing is done on all First Responders, all personnel in Senior Families are urged to be tested and on those with either a fever over 100 degrees, over age 65 or in another group that is vulnerable (previous health issue).
Just to put things in a bit of a perspective - there are just over 60 deaths in my County.
On a normal Flu/Pneumonia year in my County .... just over 200 deaths.
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Dallas County is not a "liberal" county. It is a Democrat county, which is not the same thing at all.
There are few (if any) Democrats left .... the DNC has gone so far Hard Left now that they are total Leftists. It's still to be determined who is Leading this new Hard Left Party.
Ah, Greg Abbott, the guy who says he's "only concerned about the health of Texans" and proves it by opening shopping malls more than a month before the epidemiological studies suggest it is safe. But he isn't mandating masks, and the judge in our county overruled his piecemeal approach saying "It is too confusing so I'm opening all businesses." Ignorance is bliss to him. The problem of course, is that COVID-19 doesn't care about our cash flow problems. It won't suddenly disappear because the governor says we're broke. Opening too soon will backfire on us. I expect to have to shut back down soon. When we went today to Jason't Deli for pickup, they had a few tables open for dine-in. A couple of sets of diners were eating in. We decided it was a terrible idea to dine-in so soon, and we took our food to-go. The only people who weren't wearing masks were the customers eating inside.
Ah, Greg Abbott, the guy who says he's "only concerned about the health of Texans" and proves it by opening shopping malls more than a month before the epidemiological studies suggest it is safe. But he isn't mandating masks, and the judge in our county overruled his piecemeal approach saying "It is too confusing so I'm opening all businesses." Ignorance is bliss to him. The problem of course, is that COVID-19 doesn't care about our cash flow problems. It won't suddenly disappear because the governor says we're broke. Opening too soon will backfire on us. I expect to have to shut back down soon. When we went today to Jason't Deli for pickup, they had a few tables open for dine-in. A couple of sets of diners were eating in. We decided it was a terrible idea to dine-in so soon, and we took our food to-go. The only people who weren't wearing masks were the customers eating inside.
Just curious how dining in (esp if there are very few diners) makes one more susceptible to the virus? If you don't trust the establishment to properly clean the utensils, plates, etc are you really going to trust them in their food prep? Do you believe the 6ft guidance is incorrect and that one might catch it airborne from someone sitting several tables away? From a logical standpoint, what is that pathway for the virus to go from one individual to another given that scenario?
BTW, no one is expecting cv19 to 'disappear' and if that's the criteria for opening things back up then we're all hosed.
Just curious how dining in (esp if there are very few diners) makes one more susceptible to the virus? If you don't trust the establishment to properly clean the utensils, plates, etc are you really going to trust them in their food prep? Do you believe the 6ft guidance is incorrect and that one might catch it airborne from someone sitting several tables away? From a logical standpoint, what is that pathway for the virus to go from one individual to another given that scenario?
BTW, no one is expecting cv19 to 'disappear' and if that's the criteria for opening things back up then we're all hosed.
On question 1, let's just say it is difficult to eat with mask on.
On question 2, it has essentially "disappeared" in several countries who did right. The reproduction factor in Texas according to most estimates is still above 1.0. On average slightly, but that's still not good. In multiple urban counties is quite higher. And that's with the measures that were still in place through yesterday.
Just curious how dining in (esp if there are very few diners) makes one more susceptible to the virus? If you don't trust the establishment to properly clean the utensils, plates, etc are you really going to trust them in their food prep? Do you believe the 6ft guidance is incorrect and that one might catch it airborne from someone sitting several tables away? From a logical standpoint, what is that pathway for the virus to go from one individual to another given that scenario?
BTW, no one is expecting cv19 to 'disappear' and if that's the criteria for opening things back up then we're all hosed.
To be followed in the years to come by covid20, covid21, covid21, etc.
This society wide shutdown routine is not something that we can start doing every year. We are going to have to handle this differently in the years to come.
On question 1, let's just say it is difficult to eat with mask on.
On question 2, it has essentially "disappeared" in several countries who did right. The reproduction factor in Texas according to most estimates is still above 1.0. On average slightly, but that's still not good. In multiple urban counties is quite higher. And that's with the measures that were still in place through yesterday.
Thanks serger, but you didn't answer my question. If one maintains the 6ft distance, how is not wearing a mask while eating in a very sparsely populated environment make you more susceptible to catching the virus?
Thanks serger, but you didn't answer my question. If one maintains the 6ft distance, how is not wearing a mask while eating in a very sparsely populated environment make you more susceptible to catching the virus?
And which countries are you referring to bTW?
Tables might be spaced 6 feet apart but does that mean no two people will pass within 6 feet on their way in and out? To the bathroom? To get more napkins? The virus is passed person to person so anything that creates an opportunity for more people to be in the same place increases the risk.
And before I get piled on for being an evil leftist socialist that wants to destroy the economy, now that places are open everyone gets to decide for themselves what level of risk is acceptable. I’m not saying you can’t go wherever you want and spit in people’s faces if it pleases you. Knock yourself out. I’m giving you an answer to the question you asked.
Tables might be spaced 6 feet apart but does that mean no two people will pass within 6 feet on their way in and out? To the bathroom? To get more napkins? The virus is passed person to person so anything that creates an opportunity for more people to be in the same place increases the risk.
And before I get piled on for being an evil leftist socialist that wants to destroy the economy, now that places are open everyone gets to decide for themselves what level of risk is acceptable. I’m not saying you can’t go wherever you want and spit in people’s faces if it pleases you. Knock yourself out. I’m giving you an answer to the question you asked.
The virus WILL continue to spread. The social distancing does not stop that from happening. It is just supposed to slow the process down enough so that the hospital system does not get overwhelmed.
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