Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 05-09-2020, 04:50 PM
 
19,573 posts, read 8,518,202 times
Reputation: 10096

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by TownDweller View Post
How about this math: at the end of April, Texas had 28k confirmed cases. It now has 38k confirmed cases. A 40% increase in 9 days.

There is a reason why new cases are declining in NY but accelerating in Texas.
As expected. As long as the health system can handle the load with regards to those requiring hospitalization, we are good to go.

The goal is not to run away and hide from this virus. The goal is to achieve herd immunity without this situation completely overwhelming the hospitals. If that happens, then Governor Abbott's plan will have been a huge success.

So far, so good.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-09-2020, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island
57,271 posts, read 26,199,434 times
Reputation: 15640
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
As expected. As long as the health system can handle the load with regards to those requiring hospitalization, we are good to go.

The goal is not to run away and hide from this virus. The goal is to achieve herd immunity without this situation completely overwhelming the hospitals. If that happens, then Governor Abbott's plan will have been a huge success.

So far, so good.
I don't think that nurses and doctors want the business.


Herd immunity is not a solution with so many unknowns, most experts advise against anything other than a measured approach. This disease can spread rapidly under the right conditions.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-09-2020, 04:57 PM
 
19,573 posts, read 8,518,202 times
Reputation: 10096
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
I don't think that nurses and doctors want the business.

Herd immunity is not a solution with so many unknowns, most experts advise against anything other than a measured approach. This disease can spread rapidly under the right conditions.
There are no actual "experts" with regards to this virus.

And herd immunity us the only effective answer to this virus.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-09-2020, 05:19 PM
 
9,470 posts, read 9,373,019 times
Reputation: 8178
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
There are no actual "experts" with regards to this virus.

And herd immunity us the only effective answer to this virus.
So You are an expert??
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-09-2020, 05:23 PM
 
9,470 posts, read 9,373,019 times
Reputation: 8178
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
This virus is not tricky at all. It is doing what viruses always do, and our immune systems are responding to it in the way that they always do. This routine has been going on for as long as we have been on this planet. There is nothing new or novel happening here at all.

As far as your morbid eagerness to see harm come to President Trump, why am I not surprised? So much for the compassion and humanity of the "democratic" left. What a farce.
Trump is a scummy person, who cares about nobody but himself.

I have great compassion for the people, especially children, who have this virus. I have heard it can be awful with fever and horrible dreams. I don't have compassion for Trump, as he is a terrible person.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-09-2020, 05:42 PM
 
8,146 posts, read 3,674,077 times
Reputation: 2718
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
There are no actual "experts" with regards to this virus.

And herd immunity us the only effective answer to this virus.
No, it's not for the reasons already explained to you.

Unless a vaccine is developed.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-09-2020, 05:56 PM
 
19,573 posts, read 8,518,202 times
Reputation: 10096
Quote:
Originally Posted by serger View Post
No, it's not for the reasons already explained to you.

Unless a vaccine is developed.
It is unlikely that a vaccine ever will actually be developed.

However, all a vaccine does is to trigger the immunity system of the recipient to product the required antibodies. Not only does a vaccine not protect anyone directly from the virus, it actually exposes the recipient to the virus itself

In other words, the goal of a vaccine IS to help establish herd immunity through controlled exposure to the virus.

Since you did not apparently know this, you are obviously not sufficiently knowledgeable about how a vaccine works for you to be acting as if you know anything about this, when you pretty clearly do not.

Either way, with or without a vaccine, herd immunity is the only answer at this point, since eradication by containment is clearly no longer an option.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-09-2020, 06:26 PM
 
8,146 posts, read 3,674,077 times
Reputation: 2718
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
It is unlikely that a vaccine ever will actually be developed.

However, all a vaccine does is to trigger the immunity system of the recipient to product the required antibodies. Not only does a vaccine not protect anyone directly from the virus, it actually exposes the recipient to the virus itself

In other words, the goal of a vaccine IS to help establish herd immunity through controlled exposure to the virus.


Since you did not apparently know this, you are obviously not sufficiently knowledgeable about how a vaccine works for you to be acting as if you know anything about this, when you pretty clearly do not.

Either way, with or without a vaccine, herd immunity is the only answer at this point, since eradication by containment is clearly no longer an option.
Lol. Did you miss on purpose the fact the vaccine exposes you to a dead or highly weakened virus (or parts of), or you just didn't know that? That's why it is safe, and does not come with the mortality rate of reaching herd immunity the "natural way".
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-09-2020, 06:49 PM
 
19,573 posts, read 8,518,202 times
Reputation: 10096
Quote:
Originally Posted by serger View Post
Lol. Did you miss on purpose the fact the vaccine exposes you to a dead or highly weakened virus (or parts of), or you just didn't know that? That's why it is safe, and does not come with the mortality rate of reaching herd immunity the "natural way".
You can try to squirm out of it however you like. But the point that I made earlier continues to stand, herd immunity is the only effective response we have available to us now that containment is no longer an option.

And you can speculate about a vaccine as much as you like, but scientists have been trying to create vaccines for coronaviruses going back 50 years now, and have never been able to produce one yet.

They are not likely to be able to produce one now, either. But if they do say they have miraculously produced one, under clearly rushed and panicked conditions, people would be foolish to take it.

Herd immunity, bro. That is the only solution in this case. But it increasingly appears that your people are more interested in keeping everyone locked down for as long as possible than they are in any actual end to this terrible situation.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-09-2020, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
48,525 posts, read 34,843,322 times
Reputation: 73759
Herd immunity hasn't been shown, yet, to be an option. It's possible it is completely off the table. We will not know until more data is available.
__________________
____________________________________________
My posts as a Mod will always be in red.
Be sure to review Terms of Service: TOS
And check this out: FAQ
Moderator: Relationships Forum / Hawaii Forum / Dogs / Pets / Current Events
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:58 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top