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Old 04-26-2020, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Good to see Texas is exercising some common sense. They have done a good job of managing the outbreak with a low death rate-a tiny fraction of the NYC area. What we have learned over the last few weeks is that the virus is highly infectious-a temporary lockdown isn't going to stop it. 20% of NYC residents have been exposed in just a few weeks and have antibodies. Fortunately we know that it's far less deadly than we were led to believe, especially if you are not elderly and don't have underlying health conditions. People WILL be exposed, some will get sick...with or without a lockdown. And if people are going to get sick, you want it to happen in the summer, when warmth and sunlight kill the virus, lowering the viral load on exposure and increasing the likelihood that such exposure will result in a mild case. You want it to happen in the summer when people are exposed to sunlight, boosting vitamin D production. And you want people to get it in the summer time, so that those that do need to be hospitalized (and there will be some) can utilize the hospital when it's not already full of flu patients. We need to get to "herd immunity" as soon as possible (without overloading hospitals) to minimize deaths.

Texas was one of the last states to issue a shelter in place order or whatever Abbott called it and now they're one of the first to open. The response by Texas was weak, their low infection rate has nothing to do with anything other than geography. None of their leaders took this disease seriously and now they swept past the guidelines and went right to phase 3.

Quite a bit of medical advice I don't see a reference from the CDC. Herd immunity is a bad idea to test in a state where around 20% of people have no health care.

We will see how this turns out in Georgia and Texas, this will be a good indicator.

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Old 04-26-2020, 06:04 AM
 
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Ultimately, its the people who decide what does and doesn't happen. The people always have the final say and laws are decided by them. If the people say the lockdown is over, its over. No laws or Governors or government or POTUS will say otherwise.
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Old 04-26-2020, 06:39 AM
 
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Texas was one of the last states to issue a shelter in place order or whatever Abbott called it and now they're one of the first to open. The response by Texas was weak, their low infection rate has nothing to do with anything other than geography. None of their leaders took this disease seriously and now they swept past the guidelines and went right to phase 3.

Quite a bit of medical advice I don't see a reference from the CDC. Herd immunity is a bad idea to test in a state where around 20% of people have no health care.

We will see how this turns out in Georgia and Texas, this will be a good indicator.
Oh just stop it already. Abbott ordered all schools closed as early as March 16th and a few days later ordered no gatherings of more than 10 people and closed restaurants down along with a bunch of other businesses. He based his decisions on how HIS state was reacting to and faring with this pandemic. You know Texas has over 250 counties right and is larger than many European countries?

The individual counties could issue their own orders which they did. For instance, Travis County was ordered to shelter in place around March 23rd I believe and also ordered the closing of restaurants and other businesses. Also, SXSW was one of the first major events that was cancelled which was the right think to do as it kept a bunch of foreign visitors from coming into the city of Austin which I think would have been a disaster.

So no, his reaction was NOT weak at all. It was measured and well thought out based on HIS state’s demographics and HIS states’s hospital system and it’s ability to adequately handle the expected COVID19 cases. Texas is NOT New York or New Jersey, or Illinois, or Louisiana (you know the state Abbott issued a travel ban from when he saw how many cases they had)?

Abbot acted based on what Texas needed not what other states needed. So again, you lie when you say Texas’s reaction was weak. It was not and to say our infection rate has nothing to do with anything other than geography is insulting to all of us In Texas who have been keeping our butts inside as much as possible for over 4 week, wearing masks when going out for groceries, social distancing, wiping everything in sight down practically 24/7, washing and sanitizing our hands all the time, working from home while homeschooling our kids, not visiting our elderly parents, etc.

So unless you live in Texas, please don’t presume to think you know squat about what’s really been going on here.
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Old 04-26-2020, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Oh just stop it already. Abbott ordered all schools closed as early as March 16th and a few days later ordered no gatherings of more than 10 people and closed restaurants down along with a bunch of other businesses. He based his decisions on how HIS state was reacting to and faring with this pandemic. You know Texas has over 250 counties right and is larger than many European countries?

The individual counties could issue their own orders which they did. For instance, Travis County was ordered to shelter in place around March 23rd I believe and also ordered the closing of restaurants and other businesses. Also, SXSW was one of the first major events that was cancelled which was the right think to do as it kept a bunch of foreign visitors from coming into the city of Austin which I think would have been a disaster.

So no, his reaction was NOT weak at all. It was measured and well thought out based on HIS state’s demographics and HIS states’s hospital system and it’s ability to adequately handle the expected COVID19 cases. Texas is NOT New York or New Jersey, or Illinois, or Louisiana (you know the state Abbott issued a travel ban from when he saw how many cases they had)?

Abbot acted based on what Texas needed not what other states needed. So again, you lie when you say Texas’s reaction was weak. It was not and to say our infection rate has nothing to do with anything other than geography is insulting to all of us In Texas who have been keeping our butts inside as much as possible for over 4 week, wearing masks when going out for groceries, social distancing, wiping everything in sight down practically 24/7, washing and sanitizing our hands all the time, working from home while homeschooling our kids, not visiting our elderly parents, etc.

So unless you live in Texas, please don’t presume to think you know squat about what’s really been going on here.
Leaving it up to the counties is not a strong response by any governor, some took action on their own. Yes he closed the schools in line the rest of the nation but his stay at home order wasn't until April, late and weak and his reopening goes against the CDC guidelines. Just because Texas has a low mortality rate doesn't mean that cant change tomorrow, this disease spreads rapidly without precautions. Texas also ranks near the bottom vs the top 10 states in testing.
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Old 04-26-2020, 07:29 AM
 
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Well yeah. What do you care if a few more Texans die so long as your ETF gets it's dividend?
Granny can be sacrificed to make a few bucks! s/
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Old 04-26-2020, 08:05 AM
 
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Leaving it up to the counties is not a strong response by any governor, some took action on their own. Yes he closed the schools in line the rest of the nation but his stay at home order wasn't until April, late and weak and his reopening goes against the CDC guidelines. Just because Texas has a low mortality rate doesn't mean that cant change tomorrow, this disease spreads rapidly without precautions. Texas also ranks near the bottom vs the top 10 states in testing.
I disagree and so do thousands of Texans I imagine. What wimpy state to you live in? Oh never mind. I see it’s New York. That explains EVERYTHING. Too bad Abbott isn’t your Governor. You’d probably have a lot fewer deaths.

Carry one with your bad self.
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Old 04-26-2020, 08:10 AM
 
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Texas was one of the last states to issue a shelter in place order or whatever Abbott called it and now they're one of the first to open.
It must really make you upset to see that the strategy in Texas was so successful while the strategy in NY was such a pathetic failure.

It comes down to quality of leadership, Texas has it, NY doesn't.
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Old 04-26-2020, 08:15 AM
 
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It must really make you upset to see that the strategy in Texas was so successful while the strategy in NY was such a pathetic failure.

It comes down to quality of leadership, Texas has it, NY doesn't.
Bingo and you know they’ll all be huddled in their homes just watching and waiting and HOPING that this all backfires on Texas so they can say “told you so.” It’s so obvious it’s pathetic. Well you know what, it’s hard being a leader and it’s easy to sit back and criticize but I’d rather be a leader than a weak follower.
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Old 04-26-2020, 08:20 AM
 
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Bingo and you know they’ll all be huddled in their homes just watching and waiting and HOPING that this all backfires on Texas so they can say “told you so.” It’s so obvious it’s pathetic. Well you know what, it’s hard being a leader and it’s easy to sit back and criticize but I’d rather be a leader than a weak follower.
It's the same people who were saying a month ago that Florida would have a higher death toll than NY in a few weeks....

It's the same people that said that NY was the "canary in the coal mine" and that the rest of the country would look the same "in a few weeks"

At this point I think we can definitively say that no, it's just NY. They are uniquely pathetic when it comes to handling the COVID-19 crisis. Essentially everywhere else that wasn't caught in their wake, be it left, right, or center leaning, did vastly better than they did......and yet we STILL have people fawning over Cuomo LOL.
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Old 04-26-2020, 08:21 AM
 
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Texas was one of the last states to issue a shelter in place order or whatever Abbott called it and now they're one of the first to open. The response by Texas was weak, their low infection rate has nothing to do with anything other than geography. None of their leaders took this disease seriously and now they swept past the guidelines and went right to phase 3.

Quite a bit of medical advice I don't see a reference from the CDC. Herd immunity is a bad idea to test in a state where around 20% of people have no health care.

We will see how this turns out in Georgia and Texas, this will be a good indicator.
The state didn’t issue a shutdown order. That was left up to the local county officials based on need. I live in Harris County, which is the Houston area, and we have been on shutdown orders since March 24th, and schools have been shut down since March 7th for most as they never returned from Spring Break.

Just goes to show that you can’t believe everything you read in the news.
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