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Old 04-27-2020, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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I never said the virus was fake. It is real and it is a bit nastier than a bad flu season. In 2018 70k died from flu? Where is your outrage for those victims? What I believe is phony is this manufactured crises. As Rahm Emmanuel said “never let a good crises go to waste”. Liberal media caused the hysteria and left wing governors shut down the economy. This is fact. No economic collapse? Half the country is unemployed and the government is printing trillions of dollars in a Hail Mary effort to save us from collapse. Why? So you can feel safe? We face nasty viruses all the time. Even during Spanish flu which was much much worse we did not commit economic suicide.

Also may I ask why all those outraged by people like me being critical of this overreaction seem to be the same ones who are constantly pushing the liberal agenda in the forums? Why are the political figures pushing shutdowns all left wing? Why? Maybe because this is the grand opportunity for leftists to see capitalism destroyed and replaced by socialism. When Americans have no jobs and food they will have no choice but to demand socialism. Of course this has nothing to do with the coincidence that it is generally far left liberals demanding endless lockdowns right? It is also liberals who constantly attack our personal liberties like freedom of speech or right to bear arms. Through the use of fear you have convinced many Americans to give up the most basic freedoms. It seems the groundwork is being laid for an authoritarian socialist state.

Whether or not I stay at home or wear a mask is no ones business. You have no right to shame me for not doing so. I am a free American and I could care less if your outraged by my not wearing of a mask. I have broken no laws. I know how it saddens you that this is not the Soviet Union but it is not. I am a free man and refuse to give up that freedom so you will feel safe. Benjamin Franklin said that “those who would trade liberty for safety and security deserve neither”. I stand by that belief. Any American who thinks like you should be ashamed and in my opinion does not deserve the great blessing of having been born here with the freedom we have. Leftists are a cancer upon this country. They are destroying everything we hold dear. This coronavirus panic is their “nuclear option” for bringing about the socialist dream. I will not be fooled by you people.
Do you at least agree with a business’s right to require their customers to wear a mask, or do you think that’s a violation of your rights as well?

 
Old 04-27-2020, 11:07 AM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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Do you at least agree with a business’s right to require their customers to wear a mask, or do you think that’s a violation of your rights as well?
So if it were Muslim-owned, would you say that the owner has a right to require that all women wear buquas, or at least wear rags on their head if those women are entering the store? Or that all customers should hop on their left foot while in the store? Or that we must all sing show tunes while shopping?
 
Old 04-27-2020, 11:32 AM
 
Location: London
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We've had zero waves here in Taiwan, zero lockdowns, zero shutdowns and, today, for the second day in a row, zero cases of coronavirus nationwide. It's been over a month since anyone here died of coronavirus.

On the other hand 95% of us willingly wear face masks -- which are in ample supply because the government made sure of that early on -- everywhere we go.

It seems like a small price to pay for normalcy and victory over the coronavirus.
Taiwan is also an island, which naturally helps with containment.

But yeah, I'm fine with cautious reopening (with social distancing requirements, and requiring employers to allow work from home if it's possible and the employee wishes to do so) provided that there is an abundance of masks and gloves for everyone to buy if they choose to.

Until that's the case though, it'd be disastrous to reopen back to business as usual.
 
Old 04-27-2020, 11:47 AM
 
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Do you at least agree with a business’s right to require their customers to wear a mask, or do you think that’s a violation of your rights as well?
Sure, should be up to the store. Of course it follows that the store ownership also decides whether to be open or closed, the edicts of politicians not withstanding.
 
Old 04-27-2020, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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So if it were Muslim-owned, would you say that the owner has a right to require that all women wear buquas, or at least wear rags on their head if those women are entering the store? Or that all customers should hop on their left foot while in the store? Or that we must all sing show tunes while shopping?
You didn't answer the question. How are your rights violated by being required to wear a mask when entering a privately owned business?
 
Old 04-27-2020, 12:20 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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You didn't answer the question. How are your rights violated by being required to wear a mask when entering a privately owned business?
The same way it would be violated by requiring me to hop or sing show tunes or wear clown makeup when entering. How is anyone’s right violated by me not wearing one? If you’re scared, then you stay home.
 
Old 04-27-2020, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Boulder, CO
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That's why the majority of the Left wants to keep the shutdown going. They have a convenient excuse right now, "We're trying to save lives!", but it's mostly politically motivated.

Earlier in the year the CNN panel said sadly "It doesn't look like the economy is going to falter enough before November to give the DNC a chance to win."

Why do you think DNC supporters are so happy right now? It should be obvious. This is their chance......
Haven't seen the newsbabes this happy since their daily reports of two or three dead American servicemen and woman during the Iraq conflict.

It started when the stock markets had a run of three bad days in February (seems like a year ago!) … they couldn't begin to contain their glee.

Bad for America, good for democrats.

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Old 04-27-2020, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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So if it were Muslim-owned, would you say that the owner has a right to require that all women wear buquas, or at least wear rags on their head if those women are entering the store? Or that all customers should hop on their left foot while in the store? Or that we must all sing show tunes while shopping?
What a stupid comparison. These things wouldn't be done to protect other people's health.
 
Old 04-27-2020, 04:36 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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What a stupid comparison. These things wouldn't be done to protect other people's health.
Not at all. While a store owner may prohibit certain behaviors (within reason, e.g., such as open carrying of a firearm), they cannot mandate customers' choices otherwise - if the store is open to the public. The owner can choose to not open, or to make their store a private club with entry restricted to club members (e.g., Costco) or perspective members who meet their criteria. Can a Christian store mandate that everyone wear a cross whilst shopping inside, because surely one's eternal soul is of more importance than their temporary corporal being? Muslims and Jews could probably come up with similar claims on proper attire.

Can you provide conclusive evidence that wearing a mask to prevent the spread of a virus actually works, given that a virus is much smaller than the openings in masks? We're told that scarves are adequate? Or any type of mask or face covering? I'd counter that nothing short of a sealed, full hazmat suit with a self-contained air supply and positive pressure would be necessary. Yet you think that your grandma can whip up something on her Singer which will protect just as well.

If you're living in fear, by all means stay at home. I support your choice fully. I'm not participating in the currently popular theater so that you may sleep better at night. If you want to come out and make a fashion statement with your sartorial choices, have at it. But keep your glares and finger wagging to yourself. I'm not subject to your fears.
 
Old 04-27-2020, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Houston
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So if it were Muslim-owned, would you say that the owner has a right to require that all women wear buquas, or at least wear rags on their head if those women are entering the store? Or that all customers should hop on their left foot while in the store? Or that we must all sing show tunes while shopping?
It’s his property if he wants you to sing Dixie sing or go elsewhere.
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