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it's pretty simple, biden represents corporate interests, which is the very antithesis of Bernie's platforms. He's basically Trump lite, but much smarter, even with early on set dementia.
Not even close. Had to cheat in school, ended up near the bottom of his class, bumbled through his years in the WH.
He does love big business though, especially when it lines his and his kids' pockets. He's nothing but a corrupt career politician who uses his position to enrich himself and his family. Bernie is no different, he just does it while sincerely hating big business. One's a scumbag, the other is a hypocrite. Great candidates the Dems ended up with....
Because he is the same as a centrist Republican. We’ve had enough of that crap. I’d rather see another 4 years of Trump and McConnell. Maybe then by 2024 people will be willing to vote for people that will bring about substantial change.
I think it’s kind of pathetic if they do vote for Biden. It’s pathetic that Bernie endorsed him. Talk about selling out...two years in a row.
Not a Bernie supporter, but it still bothers me. If you’re the guy railing against the crony establishment, and then you turn around and support the most establishment candidates possible, you either don’t believe what you preach, or you’re too afraid to stand for anything.
I think it’s kind of pathetic if they do vote for Biden. It’s pathetic that Bernie endorsed him. Talk about selling out...two years in a row.
Not a Bernie supporter, but it still bothers me. If you’re the guy railing against the crony establishment, and then you turn around and support the most establishment candidates possible, you either don’t believe what you preach, or you’re too afraid to stand for anything.
Who do Bernie's planks align more closely with - Biden or Trump?
Who do Bernie's planks align more closely with - Biden or Trump?
It really is that simple.
There was a debate about the Libertarian Party that I watched between Nick Sarwark (head of the party) and Dave Smith. Dave didn’t vote for Gary Johnson because he didn’t see Johnson as a good representative of libertarianism. Sarwark said something along the lines of “No, you support the libertarian candidate, even if they don’t pass your purity test.”
Dave then asked him “So if Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin were named the candidate of the Libertarian Party, you should vote for them because they have an L by their name?” and Sawark ultimately had to say yes to avoid contradicting his whole argument.
I’m completely with Dave. Hitler and Stalin are exaggerations, but the point is that you need to stand for something. You especially can’t come out and support people who are exactly the thing you’re supposed to be against.
There was a debate about the Libertarian Party that I watched between Nick Sarwark (head of the party) and Dave Smith. Dave didn’t vote for Gary Johnson because he didn’t see Johnson as a good representative of libertarianism. Sarwark said something along the lines of “No, you support the libertarian candidate, even if they don’t pass your purity test.”
Dave then asked him “So if Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin were named the candidate of the Libertarian Party, you should vote for them because they have an L by their name?” and Sawark ultimately had to say yes to avoid contradicting his whole argument.
I’m completely with Dave. Hitler and Stalin are exaggerations, but the point is that you need to stand for something. You especially can’t come out and support people who are exactly the thing you’re supposed to be against.
For better or worse, it's essentially a two candidate choice in our elections.
There is no logic behind voting for a candidate more opposite your positions and ideology when compared to the other guy.
There is no excuse for sitting home and not voting unless your state is a foregone conclusion.
The example you give is ridiculous because there is nothing Libertarian about Hitler or Stalin. I can call a chair a "table", I can even set stuff on it or eat off of it. It's still not a table. Labels need to be accurate (and mutually accepted) to be relevant.
Bernie chose to run as a Dem, no one can reasonably argue that Biden's positions aren't in line with the Democratic party. The choice is going to be Biden or Trump. Bernie Bros can choose to cut off their nose to spite their face - and certainly some will - but that doesn't make it a reasonable or logical choice. It's just pouting.
FWIW, I don't vote for anyone based on the "letter by their name". Positions are what I base my vote on.
I think once the campaign gets into full swing Sanders people will get in line behind the "liberal" candidate. Everything thing they want will have to make its way through the courts. Who do you think they want appointing judges?
I think once the campaign gets into full swing Sanders people will get in line behind the "liberal" candidate. Everything thing they want will have to make its way through the courts. Who do you think they want appointing judges?
That's my take on it. Judges and that's it. But if 12% Bernie supporters voted for Trump, did they get the resulting judges they wanted?
IMO, Bernie cut a deal with Biden to include his issues.
Nobody even knows if there will be a convention, or if the committees will even have their meetings. Zoom is fine, but it is not the real thing.
This year, either republican or a democrat will be elected.
And neither represent my views, so why bother, just so the evil orange guy wont win? May work for you, doesnt do diddly for me. Just kicks can down the road...YAWN... May only be two serious choices, but see I dont want either of them. So I wont vote for either of them.
Voting for the two choices offered, just means thats all you will ever be offered. Again look at the Socialist Party a century ago. The ONLY reason its ideas finally were taken up by the Democrat Party is that they were gaining significant popular support. If neither Republicans nor Democrats took over their agenda, then we would have had three serious parties.
So limit yourself to Republicans and Democrats and get offered Bush/Trump and Obama/Biden forever. Meaning apologists for the wealthy and the status quo. You want the status quo then vote for the status quo?
Even support of third parties you dont like will eventually force the system to change. I mean what happens if neither major party candidate gets enough Electoral College votes? Do you want the House of Representatives picking the president? It happened in election of 1824 when four parties split the vote.
Why do Bernie Sanders supporters refuse to accept Joe Biden as their democratic nominee? What is it about Biden's policies that Bernie supporters hate so much? Don't they want to end Trump's time in office? I politely ask that you please do not attack me for asking this question. I do not know much about politics, and am trying to get a better understanding of it. I'm not trying to force any Bernie fans to submit to a candidate they don't like, nor am I trying to offend anyone's beliefs. Just a curious mind here asking a curious question.
Same reason there are many never Trumpers in the Republican party --
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