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Old 04-30-2020, 03:59 PM
 
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NONE of you new Quarantine Gestapo/Pandemic Extremist types would be even calling for it. There would the birth of your ilk. However, since the media has scared you to death, installed fear, panic, paranoia into your hearts. And have used trendy words like "FLATTEN THE CURVE", "SOCIAL DISTANCING", "STOP THE SPREAD", #STAYHOME, which made all this a cultural trend, you're all jumping on right now.



Lets argue.
You forgot, "Wash your hands!"

 
Old 04-30-2020, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV
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A lot of panicked people here. Just because you read an article about some dude in North Carolina or New York or whatever who had some complication or issue doesn’t mean that’s the norm. You have to realize how susceptible you are to media propaganda if you can’t separate a human interest story from raw data. One matters, the other doesn’t. You can find all kinds of crazy things if you look, like 600 people dying from toasters every year, but that doesn’t make toasters dangerous. The virus is overall quite weak unless it attacks someone with major health issues - almost all of the people who die have such major issues. For the rest of us it’s not any scarier than the flu. The 0.01% mortality rate among 18-45 year olds confirms that.
 
Old 05-01-2020, 08:14 AM
 
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A lot of panicked people here. Just because you read an article about some dude in North Carolina or New York or whatever who had some complication or issue doesn’t mean that’s the norm. You have to realize how susceptible you are to media propaganda if you can’t separate a human interest story from raw data. One matters, the other doesn’t. You can find all kinds of crazy things if you look, like 600 people dying from toasters every year, but that doesn’t make toasters dangerous. The virus is overall quite weak unless it attacks someone with major health issues - almost all of the people who die have such major issues. For the rest of us it’s not any scarier than the flu. The 0.01% mortality rate among 18-45 year olds confirms that.
Stop minimizing this disease. You look foolish when you do that.

As of today, 63,000 people in this country have died from coronavirus over a span of less than three months. That's more people than died in the entire Vietnam War from 1960-1975. When you hear the stories about mortuaries overflowing with bodies in NY and emergency room physicians committing suicide because they are overwhelmed with the number of cases of coronavirus they are treating it would make an ordinary person stand up and pay attention.

A healthy forty-five year old Congressman from my state, Ben MacAdams had to be hospitalized for a week and put on oxygen because of this disease. Yeah, it was really mild wasn't it?

This isn't the influenza. The death rate from influenza is much lower. So far, it appears that the death rate from coronavirus is 3% or greater in the USA. The death rate from influenza is about one tenth of one percent.

It isn't the media. Its the disease. Wise people know that and take appropriate precautions.

When I read this kind of thing, I realize some failure has occurred in trying to educate people about the potential seriousness of coronavirus. There was/is a reason for all the social distancing measures put into place. Some of them do need to be gradually lifted, but we should do this slowly and be prepared to go the other way if cases of coronavirus increase markedly.
 
Old 05-01-2020, 06:26 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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That logic drives me nuts. If someone has heart problems and I shoot them in the head, I can blame their death on their heart problems? They only had 5 years left, maybe 10 at the most, so it doesn't count?
Pneumonia kills a lot more of its elderly victims than others.
 
Old 05-03-2020, 08:55 PM
 
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...That's why Trump's miracle drug went bust. It worked fine in a test tube, but hydroxychloroquine is hard on the heart. It caused a 20% boost in deaths. That's not a great outcome.
...
For what it is worth: “the study” you and the medical establishment in the US quote- was not a a real study- they retrospectively looked at the medical history- let’s hope it was correctly written!
They gave hydroxychloroquine to elderly veterans who were gravely ill with COVID in the last stages- practically dying- most were already intubated

(Not sure if the patients were black- as it seems that there is a genetic component in a predisposition to the critical outcome in COVID - including white people of a Mediterranean ancestry as well as possibly SE Asian)

Numerous countries are using hydroxychloroquine as a part of COVID standard treatment successfully in combination with other treatments.
In India they officially use it as a preventative for healthcare workers- they published this protocol.
If hydroxychloroquine is that deadly as they want us to believe- why lupus and RA sufferers are prescribed it to be taken for years?
The COVID treatment only need to last 10 days. Best when started earlier
Chloroquine has more side effects: everyone should be monitored

Guess, hydroxychloroquine “does not work” only in the US- as it is out of patent and cheap- no big profits are to be made on it..

Just saw this from VA- it works

http://www.floppingaces.net/most-wan...nger-veterans/

It is incredulous that they pushing this new remdesivir drug- Fauchi has a conflict of interest- when it is proven already that it does not work?
They changed the goal of the trial half way through- to make “ the clinical trial” data look better- excluded all the patients who died- and change the goal of the so called trial- to see if the recovery takes fewer days!
Just incredible fraud

Last edited by Nik4me; 05-03-2020 at 09:32 PM..
 
Old 05-03-2020, 09:08 PM
 
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For what it is worth: “the study” you and the medical establishment in the US quote- was not a a real study.
They gave hydroxychloroquine to elderly veterans who were gravely ill with COVID in the last stages- practically dying

Nothing would have worked.

Numerous countries are using hydroxychloroquine as a part of COVID standard treatment successfully in combination with other treatments.
In India they officially use it as a preventative for healthcare workers- they published this protocol.
If hydroxychloroquine is that deadly as they want us to believe- why lupus and RA sufferers are prescribed it to be taken for years?
The COVID treatment only need to last 10 days. Best when started earlier
Chloroquine has more side effects: everyone should be monitored

Guess, hydroxychloroquine “does not work” only in the US- as it is out of patent and cheap- no big profits are to be made on it..

It is incredulous that they pushing this new remdesivir drug- Fauchi has a conflict of interest- when it is proven already that it does not work?
They changed the goal of the trial half way through- to make “ the clinical trial” data look better- excluded all the patients who died- and change the goal of the so called trial- to see if the recovery takes fewer days!
Just incredible fraud
Studies so far at least show hydroxychloroquine is not an effective treatment of coronavirus. They do show that remdesivir is at least partially effective.

And, of course there is lysol which is being pushed by our leader. That apparently doesn't work either.


https://www.the-hospitalist.org/hosp...study-suggests


https://www.france24.com/en/20200501...ll-in-question
 
Old 05-06-2020, 09:07 AM
 
Location: From the Middle East of the USA
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Originally Posted by Ikari_Warrior_Danju View Post
NONE of you new Quarantine Gestapo/Pandemic Extremist types would be even calling for it. There would the birth of your ilk. However, since the media has scared you to death, installed fear, panic, paranoia into your hearts. And have used trendy words like "FLATTEN THE CURVE", "SOCIAL DISTANCING", "STOP THE SPREAD", #STAYHOME, which made all this a cultural trend, you're all jumping on right now.



Lets argue.
mass deaths
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