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Old 04-29-2020, 12:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by r small View Post
Instead of constantly whining over companies like Google and YouTube being owned and run by "total liberals" why don't right wingers start competing companies? They do believe in capitalism and free-enterprise, right?
Who's whining? I'm just stating that all these "wonderful" social media sites and whatnot collects personal information and data and then turn around and sell it for profit. Look at FB for example. That is a multi-billion dollar industry and for what? What goods does that company actually provide to it's users? Just a global personal bragging platform is all. And they make billions a year charging for advertising and then turn around and sell the personal data that it collected from all it's users.

Such a wonderful business, huh. And during the Obama administration we found out that such personal data can and is collected for use against those who do not "fit" the democrat liberal "agenda".

Not to mention all of the cyber crimes that such online based companies have allowed criminals to gain access to and utilize from such personal data and information collected.

That's nothing to be proud of.

 
Old 04-29-2020, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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Originally Posted by TB12inTB2020 View Post
Seriously? You seriously think the DEMOCRAT leaders of NY & NYC, the ABSOLUTELY WORST HIT & WORST MANAGED VIRUS AREA OF THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, do not deserve as much or more responsibility for dismissing the virus and DIRECTLY causing loss of life be ENCOURAGING people to actually get out and socialize together? Wow! Just WOW!. That shows just how partisan you are. Have you ever watch what they're saying?

DEMOCRAT Mayor De Blasio of the hardest hit city in the ENTIRE country certainly told us it was nothing much to worry about: https://youtu.be/1JZ0Ruh89f0

DEMOCRAT NYC Health Commissioner Last Month: Go Out, Take The Subway, Bus, Attend Parades!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Ji...ature=youtu.be
Again the POTUS downplayed this virus for 6 weeks and completely ignored the medical experts. As he's still doing.

Do you know how rapidly this virus spread in just 6 weeks?

We could have completely avoided this lock down had Trump not granted this virus a 6 week head start in the US.

Study these graphs closely and take a long look at the timeline. S. Korea had their first positive case on the same date as the US. Look at how the US fared compared to S. Korea.

You can thank Trump for why the us had no choice but to lock-down to slow the rapid spread.

How South Korea Reined In The Outbreak Without Shutting Everything Down

If you learn anything from this graph or any other graph comparing the US to other countries you should note how our spike is still going up while every other country is flattening.

Now explain to us all why the US's spike is still climbing?

Could it be that 6 week head start Trump gave this virus?

The S. Korean government listened to the health experts and took action immediately. See what happens when you ignore medical experts like Trump did?
 
Old 04-29-2020, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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But really the argument that you are making is that Trump - a person charged with running the country who was given 12 intelligence briefings in January and February warning about the coronavirus - acted just as ignorantly and irresponsibly as a low-level local bureaucrat who has since been fired for his mismanagement of the situation. I'm not sure that's the winning argument you seem to think it is.


Exactly! It's interesting watching folks who are firmly attached to their political indoctrination loose the ability to see the whole picture. They focus on one tiny cherry picked avenue and ignore the whole picture.

A 6 week lead time for a virus was the nail in the coffin for the US with respect to slowing the spread of this highly contagious virus.
 
Old 04-29-2020, 12:29 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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This is laughable.

If you think this is a show of strength then by all means follow in his lead.
I’m not in a position where my show of strength would be of benefit. I do know that many sick people get tired of others treating them like they’re radioactive. I bet those patients thought it was nice to see a human face.
 
Old 04-29-2020, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Danville, VA
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There's now a possibility that the coronavirus originally escaped a virology lab in Wuhan.

https://www.newsweek.com/controversi...ndemic-1500503
 
Old 04-29-2020, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Originally Posted by Matadora View Post
Again the POTUS downplayed this virus for 6 weeks and completely ignored the medical experts. As he's still doing.

Do you know how rapidly this virus spread in just 6 weeks?

We could have completely avoided this lock down had Trump not granted this virus a 6 week head start in the US.

Study these graphs closely and take a long look at the timeline. S. Korea had their first positive case on the same date as the US. Look at how the US fared compared to S. Korea.

You can thank Trump for why the us had no choice but to lock-down to slow the rapid spread.

How South Korea Reined In The Outbreak Without Shutting Everything Down

If you learn anything from this graph or any other graph comparing the US to other countries you should note how our spike is still going up while every other country is flattening.

Now explain to us all why the US's spike is still climbing?

Could it be that 6 week head start Trump gave this virus?

The S. Korean government listened to the health experts and took action immediately. See what happens when you ignore medical experts like Trump did?
it's interesting to see a scientist devolve into partisanship.

right before you, a Doctor who happens to be a Democrat spoke to remaining non-partisan in patient care and health decisions.

I had grown about 10 days ago to "trust" the information and evidence you presented. Sadly, that's no longer the case.

For example, what do you think our health professionals were doing from Jan 15 to March 15, which includes your "6 weeks of nothing"?
Is Trump the one who was supposed to develop tests?
Is Trump supposed to know on his own that we had minimal and out-of-date PPE in the national stockpile, and apparently hadn't replenished it in many years? Should he have single-handedly known well in advance not 1 ventilator had been produced from a 5 year old contract?
How does an 18-day doubling equal a "climbing spike"?
Should he have unilaterally shut-down the NYC metro area Mach 1? You know, the place where > 40% of cases and 50% of deaths - despite being only <10% of the population?
 
Old 04-29-2020, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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There's now a possibility that the coronavirus originally escaped a virology lab in Wuhan.

https://www.newsweek.com/controversi...ndemic-1500503
welcome to 3 weeks ago
 
Old 04-29-2020, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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how common?

1% of the cases?

10%? 20%? where does it become "pretty common"?
I attended a Webinar last week given by David M. Engman, MD, PhD. Dr. Engman is Chairman Emeritus, Department of Pathology & Laboratory Medicine, Cedars Sinai Medical Center, Los Angeles, CA.

He stated we are just now beginning to study asymptomatic cases. These are the most dangerous cases because this virus is so easily transmitted.

The estimated median R0 value for this virus is 1.4 - 5.7, meaning that the average infected person transmits this virus to as many as 5 or 6 other people. The R0 value for the seasonal flu is only 1-2.

Clearly an asymptomatic person poses a greater threat than a person who develops symptoms in which they would then practice social isolation due to knowing they are infected.

The estimates of asymptomatic people ranges from 5% to 80%. It's hard to get an accurate number due to the fact that people who are asymptomatic don't generally go to the doctor to be tested.

COVID-19: What proportion are asymptomatic?
 
Old 04-29-2020, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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That goodness there's no possibility of political shenanigans behind such statements.
There aren't any.

We have no idea what will happen. We won't have a clue for at least another few months. By December we should have something more definitive.

There are 3 possibilities:

1) It dies out like COVID-2/SARS did; or
2) It plays out like Spanish Flu and rips through in a 2nd Wave before finally dying out; or
3) It's luggage and we drag it around forever and have Corona Season every year like Flu Season.

I'm for Option #3. Why?

It's far more contagious than COVID-2 and has a longer incubation period.

While it's as virulent as Spanish Flu, there's the issue asymptomatic carriers of the disease.

That comports with other strains of corona, influenza, parainfluenza, adenovirus and RSV.

Why do you have Flu Season every single year? Because there's no such thing as "herd immunity" to influenza or corona or parainfluenza or adenovirus or RSV.

The other reason is that like corona, there are asymptomatic carriers of influenza. They don't get it, but they spread it.

My guess is from this point forward, you'll have 10,000 to 40,000 people dying every year of COVID-19. You'll just have to learn how to deal with it.

You could always try a "mass burn-out" to see if that works, but I have zero confidence in federal or State government to plan for that.

The other issue is you can control the US, but you cannot control foreign States. This thing is global and not just a US-thing. There will always be carriers, they will always come into contact with Americans traveling for business or pleasure or they will be coming to US and spreading it.
 
Old 04-29-2020, 01:05 PM
 
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Fauci is on TV right now announcing that Remdesivir trials are very promising at reducing symptoms/ hospital stays in those infected with Covid 19.

Remdesivir is used in treating Ebola.

More to come.
The new remdesivir data from Tony Fauci from N >1,000 placebo-controlled trial (unpublished, Oval Office citation) does not show statistically significant reduction in mortality (8% vs 11%, in the right direction) but a clear-cut benefit in time to recovery 11 vs 15 days, P<0.001
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