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Old 04-28-2020, 02:03 PM
 
Location: East of the Burg.
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But - are we going to have our hospitals overrun with Covid-19 patients and just-born babies and their mothers getting the virus? How about your son who had to go in for an asthma attack? How about your daughter who fell and broke her arm and needed to be kept overnight? How about your husband or wife who needed a gallbladder removal or an Xray?

They already said if the nursing home didn't have proper isolation places and staff, that they wouldn't have to take them.

The USNS Comfort was not set up for Covid-19 patients. They don't have any isolation places or procedures or equipment there.
If they all have covid then there is no need to isolate.
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Old 04-28-2020, 03:08 PM
 
Location: 49th parallel
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If they all have covid then there is no need to isolate.
Yes, but it takes lots of special equipment, PPE, and trained personnel. The hospital ship was never equipped in that fashion.
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Old 04-28-2020, 03:17 PM
 
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But - are we going to have our hospitals overrun with Covid-19 patients and just-born babies and their mothers getting the virus? How about your son who had to go in for an asthma attack? How about your daughter who fell and broke her arm and needed to be kept overnight? How about your husband or wife who needed a gallbladder removal or an Xray?

They already said if the nursing home didn't have proper isolation places and staff, that they wouldn't have to take them.

The USNS Comfort was not set up for Covid-19 patients. They don't have any isolation places or procedures or equipment there.
1st - The USNS Comfort began taking Covid patients back on 4/8 - not what it was intended fhttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/magazine/hospital-ship-comfort-new-york-coronavirus.htmlor - they were suppose to treat the non Covid cases you speak of.

2nd. The nursing homes DO NOT have proper isolation places nor staff trained to handle them - that's why for the last 3 weeks my cousin has been left in his room with meals delivered outside the door as there are no isolation rooms - there are 2 patients on his wing with Covid. The most they can do is tell the other patients not to come out of their rooms.

If you didn't think that the USNS Comfort that contains 12 fully-equipped operating rooms, a 1,000 bed hospital facility, digital radiological services, a medical laboratory, a pharmacy, an optometry lab, a CAT-scan and two oxygen producing plants can't handle the Covid patients - how the heck do you think a nursing home or assisted living facility can handle them?

Yes they'd be taking up space - but we have beds in our area hospitals. There was the Javits center and the USNS Comfort already in NY - there was no need to send infected patients back to the facilities were the people are the most vulnerable. I can not believe the lack of conscious thought on these forums. You've been led around by what the media reports for so long - you can't think for yourself or make your own conclusions.
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Old 04-28-2020, 05:21 PM
 
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Nursing homes have to accept stable patients that don't require hospitalization. Nursing homes have the ability to isolate just like hospitals. I would expect the mortality rate to be higher in nursing homes with elderly compromised patients if they don't follow procedures with their staff. The infection rate in many nursing homes throughout the US is high.

So what's the option, sending nursing home patients with no adverse conditions back to hospitals to occupy beds in the middle of a pandemic.
I already gave you two and you completely ignored them:


he could have sent them to the USNS Comfort. or set up a couple facilities exclusively for hunan coronavirus-infected residents.
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Old 04-28-2020, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I already gave you two and you completely ignored them:


he could have sent them to the USNS Comfort. or set up a couple facilities exclusively for hunan coronavirus-infected residents.
Transporting otherwise stable nursing home residents from around the state to the Comfort to isolate them when nursing homes already have isolation procedures. Many ways that viruses can be carried into hospitals or nursing homes outside of patients but your assuming it’s the residents. If they tested every nurse in a hospital most would come up positive.
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Old 04-28-2020, 06:15 PM
 
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1st - The USNS Comfort began taking Covid patients back on 4/8 - not what it was intended fhttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/magazine/hospital-ship-comfort-new-york-coronavirus.htmlor - they were suppose to treat the non Covid cases you speak of.

2nd. The nursing homes DO NOT have proper isolation places nor staff trained to handle them - that's why for the last 3 weeks my cousin has been left in his room with meals delivered outside the door as there are no isolation rooms - there are 2 patients on his wing with Covid. The most they can do is tell the other patients not to come out of their rooms.

If you didn't think that the USNS Comfort that contains 12 fully-equipped operating rooms, a 1,000 bed hospital facility, digital radiological services, a medical laboratory, a pharmacy, an optometry lab, a CAT-scan and two oxygen producing plants can't handle the Covid patients - how the heck do you think a nursing home or assisted living facility can handle them?

Yes they'd be taking up space - but we have beds in our area hospitals. There was the Javits center and the USNS Comfort already in NY - there was no need to send infected patients back to the facilities were the people are the most vulnerable. I can not believe the lack of conscious thought on these forums. You've been led around by what the media reports for so long - you can't think for yourself or make your own conclusions.
good points and good post.
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Old 04-28-2020, 06:17 PM
 
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Transporting otherwise stable nursing home residents from around the state to the Comfort to isolate them when nursing homes already have isolation procedures. Many ways that viruses can be carried into hospitals or nursing homes outside of patients but your assuming it’s the residents. If they tested every nurse in a hospital most would come up positive.
yet they don’t. which is why they pleaded with cuomo not to force them to take them, and further why taking them resulted in so many unnecessary deaths.
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Old 04-28-2020, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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yet they don’t. which is why they pleaded with cuomo not to force them to take them, and further why taking them resulted in so many unnecessary deaths.
Many nursing homes are supposed to have the ability to isolate whether it the flu or Covid19, they don't send nursing home residents to hospitals because they contracted the flu unless there is extenuating circumstances. Many ways for the virus to find its way into nursing homes other than patients.
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Old 04-28-2020, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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..when he had to have known what a horrible idea that was?

he could have sent them to the USNS Comfort. or set up a couple facilities exclusively for hunan coronavirus-infected residents.

but no..


Cuomo: Nursing homes 'don’t have the right to object' to order requiring admission of COVID-19 patients
Here’s the transcript ( 15:39).

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts...cript-april-23

Cuomo talks about how nursing homes have to have the ability to quarantine a Covid patient and dedicate a staff to the quarantine. if the nursing home cannot, the patient needs to be transferred to a facility with the capability.
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Old 04-28-2020, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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1st - The USNS Comfort began taking Covid patients back on 4/8 - not what it was intended fhttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/magazine/hospital-ship-comfort-new-york-coronavirus.htmlor - they were suppose to treat the non Covid cases you speak of.

2nd. The nursing homes DO NOT have proper isolation places nor staff trained to handle them - that's why for the last 3 weeks my cousin has been left in his room with meals delivered outside the door as there are no isolation rooms - there are 2 patients on his wing with Covid. The most they can do is tell the other patients not to come out of their rooms.

If you didn't think that the USNS Comfort that contains 12 fully-equipped operating rooms, a 1,000 bed hospital facility, digital radiological services, a medical laboratory, a pharmacy, an optometry lab, a CAT-scan and two oxygen producing plants can't handle the Covid patients - how the heck do you think a nursing home or assisted living facility can handle them?

Yes they'd be taking up space - but we have beds in our area hospitals. There was the Javits center and the USNS Comfort already in NY - there was no need to send infected patients back to the facilities were the people are the most vulnerable. I can not believe the lack of conscious thought on these forums. You've been led around by what the media reports for so long - you can't think for yourself or make your own conclusions.
Well said. I'm really sorry your cousin has to suffer due to the foolishness of others. Cuomo's orders were akin to murder putting China-virus infected patients into facilities with the most vulnerable members of the population. Facilities largely staffed with low-skilled, moderately trained CNAs or assistants, rather than nurses and doctors. Facilities without the means of isolating contagious areas. Facilities without the "hard" surfaces hospitals use to ease cleaning and slow the spread of disease. Facilities that never gave a thought to negative-pressure airflow management.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/u...ronavirus.html

It wasn't just Cuomo that acted like a fool. California, New Jersey and Washington also put covid-infected patients in nursing homes with the most vulnerable people in the country. Can you say "failure of leadership" boys and girls? I know you can.

I would hope that Trump would issue an EO making this practice a criminal act.
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