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Old 05-04-2020, 03:05 PM
 
Location: 49th parallel
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Well, I wonder what the alternative could have been. Given that they expected thousands of COVID-19 patients and knew they could not put them into hospitals with the regular patients, they were a bit up a gum tree. What the Feds should have provided is temporary hospitals like they did overseas, but that did not happen. The Feds had the money, not the state.
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Old 05-04-2020, 04:11 PM
 
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I realize that this is a Bash Cuomo thread, but I still feel you are not getting the point about the Comfort. Nothing about the fitting up of the Comfort, or about deciding who was to be treated there, was a state decision. Nothing. The fact that there was not enough testing is also down to the Feds. So the fiasco about the Comfort being underused is down to the Feds.
Nonsense. The state asked for modified uses a few times unrelated to seniors, got answers within hours.

Cuomo never asked about alternative options for those he , in effect, sentenced back to nursing homes.

Not once.
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Old 05-07-2020, 07:43 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Default Governor Cuomo's Role in Nursing Home Covid Carnage

Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York mandated that nursing homes accept Covid+ patients. 5000, or about 25% of the Covid deaths in NYS, were in nursing homes. We know that Cuomo and DeBlasio wanted to inflate the number of reported deaths. Is it possible that Cuomo wanted to "inflate" the number of actual deaths to benefit the Democratic Party (a party of which I am a proud member).

See Cuomo under fire for response to Covid-19 at nursing homes. Excerpt:
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State health officials, he added, also directed nursing homes to accept Covid-19 patients, even after the AMDA – The Society for Post-Acute and Long-Term Care Medicine came out against the policy and other states followed suit.
**********“We know that allowing COVID into a nursing home is an invitation for it to spread, and we need to make sure that we take necessary steps to protect residents,” said Senate GOP Leader John Flanagan in a statement issued after newly released data suggested 1,700 more people had died at nursing homes and adult care facilities than previously thought.
I would hate to think that this lethal mistake was deliberate. Who knows?
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Old 05-07-2020, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York mandated that nursing homes accept Covid+ patients. 5000, or about 25% of the Covid deaths in NYS, were in nursing homes. We know that Cuomo and DeBlasio wanted to inflate the number of reported deaths. Is it possible that Cuomo wanted to "inflate" the number of actual deaths to benefit the Democratic Party (a party of which I am a proud member).

See Cuomo under fire for response to Covid-19 at nursing homes. Excerpt:

I would hate to think that this lethal mistake was deliberate. Who knows?
It was either deliberate, or simply incredibly stupid. Take your pick.
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Old 05-07-2020, 08:26 PM
 
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It was either deliberate, or simply incredibly stupid. Take your pick.
Neither relieves his liability.
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Old 05-07-2020, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Okay, so a proper nursing home should be equipped to maintain patient isolation, if they know they are dealing with a COVID-19 patient. The idea that Governor Cuomo would intentionally attempt to inflate death numbers is beneath contempt.
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Old 05-07-2020, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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Okay, so a proper nursing home should be equipped to maintain patient isolation, if they know they are dealing with a COVID-19 patient. The idea that Governor Cuomo would intentionally attempt to inflate death numbers is beneath contempt.
So you're saying that Cuomo is just incredibly stupid, and not deliberately infecting the most vulnerable? I guess that makes it manslaughter rather than murder.

Nursing homes weren't given any choice, Cuomo dictated that they take Covid-positive patients, rather they were equipped to maintain isolation or not. Very few are equipped to do so. Things like negative pressure ventilation were unlikely to be considered when they were built.
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Old 05-07-2020, 08:34 PM
 
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Is the rate in New York in nursing homes any worse than every other state/county/country.
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Old 05-07-2020, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Cheektowaga, NY
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we are talking about Mr. Bail Reform / Mr. SAFE Act here.
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Old 05-07-2020, 08:36 PM
 
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Anybody know if the rate in New York is any different than in other areas?

From my preliminary observations -- nursing homes around the country, around the world -- were the hardest hit and the numbers are grim.

They all didn't have the same policies but are their outcomes any better?
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