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Old 04-28-2020, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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They'd become "affordable" if more people bought them. Find a new reason to keep our factories closed.

We don't and never did have high-tech factories that make pharmaceuticals, electronics and electronic components or clothes, for example. It's a fallacy. If you are looking for blame, look at corporations who offshored their manufacturing decades ago with full cooperation from governments at the time (yes, both L&R).
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Old 04-28-2020, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I didn't realize the depth of love that American leftists have for the Chinese Communist Party.

Yawn, rolls over and farts. Change the tune, it's not interesting.
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Old 04-28-2020, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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The free world should NOT purchase Chinese goods. The free world should enact bans and sanctions and FORBID their companies from working with the Chinese, until such time that they become a full-fledged Democratic nation.

So force another country to follow our ways? Who is this free world you speak of? We tried the trade war sanctions and tariffs route. It's didn't work out very well. You really should figure out who is on top here. Hint - look at who owns our debt. China has us by the hairy dangley bits. They sneeze, we are the ones who yelp. Finally, it's really nice of you to want to force another state into your way of living - that's the very definition of undemocratic.
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Old 04-28-2020, 05:36 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Close all the Walmart's for starters, bet Trumps base would love that.
Wal Mart's earlier marketing claims was their pride in how their products were "Made in the USA." We see how long that lasted, but is the avoidance of "Made in China" really that much better at other retailers like Target or Costco? As a side note, Wal Mart's political support isn't as right wing as one would think (and I was surprised by this):

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs//summary?id=D000000367

As far as the political aspect of avoiding products made in China, this is something that should really be a shared non-partisan vision. One example is the promotion of renewable energy, such as solar panel. Some Conservatives minimize this because it's often a talking point of Democrats, but China is ahead of the US on solar technology, and that's something we don't want to be buying from a country that has proven itself to not be our ally. As that technology and other products continue to advance, we don't want to be dependent on a wayward country like China for technology any more than we want to be dependent on countries like Iraq and Venezuela for oil.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...olar-industry/ (Older)

https://www.fastcompany.com/90314759...new-green-deal (More updated)
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Old 04-28-2020, 06:02 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Why China? Why not India, Bangladesh, Pakistan or Mexico? Oh yes, i know, it's just jingoistic hollow rhetoric designed to stir up anti Chinese sentiment with absolutely no basis in facts. Hope you don't need any drugs, food or electronics during your 'boycott'....
Republican polls show that attacking China will give republicans the best odds of winning 2020 elections (so republicans are attacking China.)

"Republicans up and down the ballot are turning to attacks on China–and on Democrats as soft on China–to buoy their chances in the 2020 election after a lackluster fundraising quarter for Republican candidates."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrews.../#649c08e93473

"The National Republican Senatorial Committee has sent campaigns a detailed, 57-page memo authored by a top Republican strategist advising GOP candidates to address the coronavirus crisis by aggressively attacking China."
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-207244

"A memo to GOP candidates has urged campaigns not to "defend Trump" over the coronavirus pandemic, advising them instead to "attack China.""
https://www.newsweek.com/dont-defend...paigns-1500270

"The memo said candidates should blame their opponents for not being tough on China and called for them to reject claims that calling COVID-19 the "Chinese virus" is racist."
https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-...ovid-19-2020-4
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Old 04-28-2020, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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"The memo said candidates should blame their opponents for not being tough on China and called for them to reject claims that calling COVID-19 the "Chinese virus" is racist."
"Chinese virus" is not racist, because Chinese is not a race. However, it's way too imprecise. After all, COVID-19 is not the first virus to emerge from China. Calling it the "Wuhan virus" would be more accurate, and in keeping with past practice. (For example, Lyme Disease was named after the town in Connecticut where it was first identified.)
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Old 04-28-2020, 06:17 PM
 
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...it's really nice of you to want to force another state into your way of living - that's the very definition of undemocratic.
Did you disagree with people around the world boycotting South Africa for practicing apartheid? Was it "forcing another state into your way of living"?
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Old 04-28-2020, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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You'll have to tackle the environmental lobby before we'll be at a point where you can live by the "Made in USA only" standard. Ever wonder why we don't make computer chips here? Intel designs them in Texas and they're built in China or somewhere else not because of labor, but environmental laws.

As long as we're not making our own computer chips, we've not brought manufacturing back. Everything's electronic and connected now - even clothes washers. Kind of silly, if you ask me, but that's the direction it's going. We don't manufacture chips here at scale due largely to environmental laws. Making chips is messy business, and uses some nasty chemicals.

If we want to at least have the ability to be self-reliant, some compromises will need to be made on environmental regulations. We shouldn't have to outsource the manufacturing of common yet critical components simply because the government says no, or because the environmental impact studies will take too long and cost too much. Red tape should never interfere with something as important as that to the extent that the activity is effectively prohibited.
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Old 04-28-2020, 07:19 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Wal Mart's earlier marketing claims was their pride in how their products were "Made in the USA." We see how long that lasted, but is the avoidance of "Made in China" really that much better at other retailers like Target or Costco? As a side note, Wal Mart's political support isn't as right wing as one would think (and I was surprised by this):

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs//summary?id=D000000367

As far as the political aspect of avoiding products made in China, this is something that should really be a shared non-partisan vision. One example is the promotion of renewable energy, such as solar panel. Some Conservatives minimize this because it's often a talking point of Democrats, but China is ahead of the US on solar technology, and that's something we don't want to be buying from a country that has proven itself to not be our ally. As that technology and other products continue to advance, we don't want to be dependent on a wayward country like China for technology any more than we want to be dependent on countries like Iraq and Venezuela for oil.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...olar-industry/ (Older)

https://www.fastcompany.com/90314759...new-green-deal (More updated)
Look at my pictures, I have a picture of a Solar Panel Farm a stone throws away from my house.

Our country is getting out done because we don't have the advanced education. Each generation is getting less involved to do things better and more about making the quickest buck.

We are in the 21st Century and need to act like it. Education, Sustainable Energy, Income inequality should be the big three we should be focusing on and every thing else will fall into place. Modernizing our Government and elections would help, hopefully if we get education right the next generation will modernize. If we make it.
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Old 04-28-2020, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Sorry, I'm not a leftist and really don't have much of an opinion about the Chinese Communist Party. You realize this is not the Cold War when we referred to China as "Red China," and they all rode bicycles? The point you and many people on this thread are missing is under a free market, there are not restrictions placed on where individuals and companies can buy products. We have outsourced manufacturing to China because they are an efficient producer of virtually all consumer goods. Consumers in other countries don't want to buy overpriced American products, so many on this thread seem to think the USA can survive by being a closed economy where we produce and consume all American goods and services, and isolate ourselves from the rest of the world.

Who do you define as the, "free world." How quickly do you think this could happen since China already produces much of the products used by the rest of the world. How quickly can the USA start producing computers, phones, TVs, clothes, athletic shoes, sporting goods, pet foods, vitamins, American flags, etc.? Do we do without these products until our manufacturers pick up the slack?
Never mind all that stuff. We aren't even able to gear up to produce simple surgical masks.
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