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Old 05-01-2020, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Ok, that interview is infuriating me. Not because of the info - that is old news - but because of the reporter being such a drama queen.


Look, people - hardly anyone - in any time - not just now - gets an autopsy. Ever. Life is not CSI. It's not Law & Order. Real life? Maybe 10%, maybe less. So that's your first lesson. No one's getting one, that's just how it is.
Why would they need an autopsy, when they can just take the Covid19 test like they do at the drive-thru tests?

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That news reporter - it's that kind of ignorant willful spreading of absolutely mis-leading information that will DIRECTLY result in someone dying.
How do you figure?
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Old 05-01-2020, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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It’s all a conspiracy to enact socialism!

You mean like Trump personally signing the socialist pandemic relief checks? We have a socialist president now.

Look, Dr. Phil. Dr.Oz, and the other so called experts paid to give their fringe opinion are soon retracting and back peddling like Dr, Oz and Dr, Phil did. It's amazing how people will prostitute themselves and lie for a buck. Look at how low Geraldo Rivera has sunk to stay in the spot light.

The only true source of information is from the real medical experts like Johns Hopkins, the CDC albeit weak at the moment, W.H.O. and your local department of health websites.

The lunatic fringe experts are paid to gas light.
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Old 05-01-2020, 11:55 AM
 
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I have nurse relatives and a couple of doc friends who said similar. They add it in whether the patient truly died from it or not. They don't conduct autopsies to determine true death, so they add it since they assume it was COVID.

No wonder the US numbers are so high. Unreal.
yup, people are questioning numbers from other nations should really be thinking about this from a different perspective.
it shouldn't be why are theirs so low? it's "why are ours so high" and this could be the explanation.
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Old 05-01-2020, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Death certificates are merely State edicts. Pay them no mind.
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Old 05-01-2020, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Death certificates are merely State edicts. Pay them no mind.
If you say so, but the admin it telling the doctors to fabricate the certificates in order to inflate the numbers, which they use to justify the astronomical bail-outs and the authoritarianism.
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Old 05-01-2020, 12:19 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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if they didn't test for COVID, then it is not confirmed to be COVID. it could've been another strain, the regular flu, etc.
Yes, this is a reality we have to deal with when there's not enough tests and lab time to test everyone. Better to allocate limited resources to the living patients, no?
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Old 05-01-2020, 12:43 PM
 
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Here's a question that was never asked in that interview: "Dr., how many death certificates have you personally signed that you know for a fact were NOT Covid but you wrote Covid anyway?"



Ya wanna guess on the answer? Zero is my quess. We'll never know, though, because no one ever asks that question.



The CDC count is king - those people died of something. If you don't trust them - please don't use their flu data either.
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Old 05-01-2020, 05:30 PM
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As has been said many times previously, follow the money.
Exactly. Hospitals are getting money for claiming deaths are due to Covid. Bad idea.
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Old 05-01-2020, 05:32 PM
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Oh right....more arrogance and moral superiority from the left. Why don’t you people understand that when you destroy people’s ability to earn a living, force businesses into bankruptcy, and collapse the economy that the consequences are more about just money.

We can’t afford to keep paying people more to be unemployed than they would earn on a job, unless of course your objective is to move 100 million more Americans onto the government dole, being non-productive, and malign the evil rich while you force them to support them?
The Left does not understand money. They are too short sighted and ignorant to realize paying people for doing nothing is unsustainable.
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Old 05-01-2020, 06:37 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Just the opposite. Rare that an autopsy is being preformed anyway. Plus your link is from Apr 15th and has nothing to do with the deaths before that AND is just from 1 state.

Jensen said, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

Jensen clarified in the video that he doesn't think physicians are "gaming the system" so much as other "players," such as hospital administrators, who he said may pressure physicians to cite all diagnoses, including "probable" COVID-19, on discharge papers or death certificates to get the higher Medicare allocation allowed under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act. Past practice, Jensen said, did not include probabilities."


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...us/3000638001/
First, pneumonia groups to viral pneumonia usually requires more extensive treatment and resources than simple bacterial pneumonia. This is why Medicare reimburses higher for viral pneumonia than simple bacterial pneumonia. Generally length of stay is longer too. Add in ventilator and treatment and resources are more extensive and even longer length of stay. Patients on vents longer than 96 hour should not make a difference which type of pneumonia they have, in regards to reimbursement as both will group to resp condition with vent over 96 hours. Now some might get away by calling a simple pneumonia as possible COVID pneumonia, but the treatment better match.

For years Medicare have been routinely auditing records and denying claims or downgrading when treatment doesn’t fit what has been billed. Such as adding severe malnutrition as a diagnosis, which can increase reimbursement, but after auditing the record they find no corresponding documentation to justify the diagnosis or treatment wasn’t provided.
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