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Old 05-01-2020, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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THE SIMPLE SOLUTION

Minimize the number of "takers" between patient and physician.
Which takers?

[] Insurance [] Taxes [] Administrative overhead [] Waste [] Red Tape


Implementation:
__ Zero taxes on any physician (or other health care worker) who volunteers 25% of his services, in office visits or hospital care.
Without the burden of paying taxes (and all the paper work), he can have the same "take home pay" for far less in fees.

__ Abolish 'health insurance'
Gamblers who seek to profit by betting on someone staying well - or rigging the system to pay out as little as possible - is an abomination. END IT.
Without the overhead cost of paperwork, clerks, administration and red tape, costs will drop tremendously as medical offices no longer need huge staffs to handle paperwork, etc.

__ Zero taxes on any hospital / clinic that provides free / low cost treatment (no less than 10%-25% resources to the poor qualifies for exemption).

__ Zero taxes on any pharmaceutical company that provides free or low cost medications (based on no less than 25% of its production devoted to charity)


It's far more efficient to NOT TAKE TAXES, than to take taxes and redirect the funds to pay for healthcare, etc., especially since a cut is taken by the government (wink, wink, nod, nod).


OH DRAT. . . gubmint will never ever give up power and taxes. SIGH.

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Old 05-01-2020, 01:19 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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TAX EXEMPT HEALTH CARE WORKER
A physician, who donates 25% of his time to charity, and wishes to earn $100,000 per annum, would need to bill $64/hr.
(100000/ (2080 x 0.75)) = $64.10
If that physician saw 3 patients per hour, he would only need to charge $21.37 per patient. So a flat fee of $25 would be plenty to cover his fees and office overhead.
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Old 05-01-2020, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Eastern Tennessee
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Who would pay the nurse and receptionist? Who would pay for medical supplies and office supplies? Who would pay the phone bill, electric bill, water bill, and office rent or mortgage payment? Who would pay the malpractice insurance and liability insurance fees? Who pay for CME classes (they are required) and travel expenses?

Health insurance is a 'risk pool' to protect people from having to pay out of pocket for catastrophic health expenses like a heart attack, stroke, cancer, COVID pneumonia with ICU stay and ventilator support. Most people could not afford to pay for that level of care (Bill Gates could I guess) without health insurance.
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Old 05-01-2020, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Who would pay the nurse and receptionist? Who would pay for medical supplies and office supplies? Who would pay the phone bill, electric bill, water bill, and office rent or mortgage payment? Who would pay the malpractice insurance and liability insurance fees? Who pay for CME classes (they are required) and travel expenses?

Health insurance is a 'risk pool' to protect people from having to pay out of pocket for catastrophic health expenses like a heart attack, stroke, cancer, COVID pneumonia with ICU stay and ventilator support. Most people could not afford to pay for that level of care (Bill Gates could I guess) without health insurance.
Before glorious socialism (and its tax burden), medical care was often provided by religious staff who worked for (ahem) practically nothing. But thanks to socialism, we don't suffer under that system anymore - with religious symbols annoying the unbelievers, etc., etc.

And before government debauched the money, fees were quite reasonable.
. . .
BEFORE GLORIOUS SOCIALISM (pre-1933)
AND BEFORE HEALTH INSURANCE
. . .
1930 examples

In 1930, $66 bought a mom in Kansas a 10-day hospital stay and delivery of her new baby.
($4/day for the room)

http://blog.sfgate.com/tbrayer/2010/...ildbirth-1930/
$50 hospital bill for 10 day stay for childbirth and maternity care in LA

http://www.latimes.com/tn-gnp-1117-v...day-story.html
($4/day for the room in a ward. A front corner room went for $10 per day.)
. . .
Wartime
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/725501821191774070/
$100 hospital bill from 1943 for a 10-day hospital maternity stay.

Post War
1947 $70 maternity bill
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/02/opinio...ne-birth-bill/

AFTER THE SOCIALIST REVOLUTION + Hyperinflation
Hospital Birth Costs in the 21st century
http://www.parents.com/pregnancy/con...ospital-costs/
On average, U.S. hospital deliveries cost $3,500 per stay.

http://www.businessinsider.com/lengt...g-birth-2016-3
How long do you stay in hospital after birth?
... health insurers are required to cover at least 48 hours for uncomplicated vaginal deliveries and 96 hours for Cesarean sections.

2 DAYS . . . roughly $1750 per day . . . versus 10 DAYS at $4 per day.

http://www.beckershospitalreview.com...s-in-2010.html
Hospital bed cost per day
United States
• State/local government hospitals — $1,625
• Non-profit hospitals — $2,025
• For-profit hospitals — $1,629

COST INCREASE : 40,725% increase ($1,629/$4)
($1,629/$4 = 407.25 X 100 = 40725%)
(Somebody has to pay for all the bureaucracy, malpractice insurance, paper work, clerks, adjusters, investigators, supervisors, guys in clown suits, etc, etc.)

This is the result of government meddling in medicine for over 120 years.
This is the result of “health insurance” adding costs that the patient is stuck with.
Who else has to pay all those stockholder dividends, officers, employees, and the costs for administrative paperwork, that physicians and hospitals must now deal with?

DO YOU REALLY WANT "SINGLE PAYER" HEALTH INSURANCE RUN BY GOVERNMENT?
>D'oh!<

I think zero taxes will do far more good.
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Old 05-01-2020, 06:56 AM
 
Location: West Coast U.S.A.
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THE SIMPLE SOLUTION

Minimize the number of "takers" between patient and physician.
Which takers?

[] Insurance [] Taxes [] Administrative overhead [] Waste [] Red Tape


Implementation:
__ Zero taxes on any physician (or other health care worker) who volunteers 25% of his services, in office visits or hospital care.
Without the burden of paying taxes (and all the paper work), he can have the same "take home pay" for far less in fees.

__ Abolish 'health insurance'
Gamblers who seek to profit by betting on someone staying well - or rigging the system to pay out as little as possible - is an abomination. END IT.
Without the overhead cost of paperwork, clerks, administration and red tape, costs will drop tremendously as medical offices no longer need huge staffs to handle paperwork, etc.

__ Zero taxes on any hospital / clinic that provides free / low cost treatment (no less than 10%-25% resources to the poor qualifies for exemption).

__ Zero taxes on any pharmaceutical company that provides free or low cost medications (based on no less than 25% of its production devoted to charity)


It's far more efficient to NOT TAKE TAXES, than to take taxes and redirect the funds to pay for healthcare, etc., especially since a cut is taken by the government (wink, wink, nod, nod).


OH DRAT. . . gubmint will never ever give up power and taxes. SIGH.
You're a bit confused. It's not the "gubmint" that will be giving things up. It's the pharmaceutical companies, heath insurance companies, etc., that will feel the pain, and that's why they have powerful lobbyists in DC making friends with powerful government officials.

Last edited by Angry-Koala; 05-01-2020 at 07:15 AM..
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Old 05-01-2020, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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You're a bit confused. It's not the "gubmint" that will be giving things up. It's the pharmaceutical companies, heath insurance companies, etc. that will feel the pain, and that's why they have powerful lobbyists in DC making friends with powerful government officials.
Zero taxes on pharmaceutical companies will be a burden?
LOL.

Gamblers, ahem, insurers are abominations, sucking the victim dry - and forcing care givers to change their operations to suit the gamblers. ABOLISH gambling in healthcare.
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Old 05-01-2020, 09:06 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
THE SIMPLE SOLUTION

Minimize the number of "takers" between patient and physician.
Which takers?

[] Insurance [] Taxes [] Administrative overhead [] Waste [] Red Tape


Implementation:
__ Zero taxes on any physician (or other health care worker) who volunteers 25% of his services, in office visits or hospital care.
Without the burden of paying taxes (and all the paper work), he can have the same "take home pay" for far less in fees.

__ Abolish 'health insurance'
Gamblers who seek to profit by betting on someone staying well - or rigging the system to pay out as little as possible - is an abomination. END IT.
Without the overhead cost of paperwork, clerks, administration and red tape, costs will drop tremendously as medical offices no longer need huge staffs to handle paperwork, etc.

__ Zero taxes on any hospital / clinic that provides free / low cost treatment (no less than 10%-25% resources to the poor qualifies for exemption).

__ Zero taxes on any pharmaceutical company that provides free or low cost medications (based on no less than 25% of its production devoted to charity)


It's far more efficient to NOT TAKE TAXES, than to take taxes and redirect the funds to pay for healthcare, etc., especially since a cut is taken by the government (wink, wink, nod, nod).


OH DRAT. . . gubmint will never ever give up power and taxes. SIGH.
I got a really simple one to reduce the healthcare cost:

REMOVE THE LICENSING REQUIREMENT TO BE A DOCTOR OR NURSE!

That would immediately increase the amount of healthcare providers and reduce the cost. The current licensing can continue as optional. That way people can choose who they want to be their provider: licensed or unlicensed.
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Old 05-01-2020, 10:23 AM
 
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If you think there is a simple way to reform the American healthcare-system, LOL!!!!!!!!

It is a big, convoluted, corrupt, overpriced mess with a gazillion special-interests screaming and lobbying to protect their piece-of-the-pie.
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Old 05-02-2020, 04:21 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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If you think there is a simple way to reform the American healthcare-system, LOL!!!!!!!!

It is a big, convoluted, corrupt, overpriced mess with a gazillion special-interests screaming and lobbying to protect their piece-of-the-pie.
Perhaps you didn't think it through?

And who is paying for that "piece of the pie"?
The taxpayer.
And if the medical system is disconnected from the tax system, who will be receiving "benefits"?
[crickets chirping]
. . .
The original premise is to STOP THE GOVERNMENT from taking from one (via taxes) and giving to an other (minus a cut for the management).
In other words, NO MORE GOVERNMENT BENNIES - to patients or industry.
They're on their own.

Physicians who donate a portion of their time (let's say 25%), are tax exempt.
No taxes are needed to pay for the patients cared for by voluntary charity.
No administrative overhead, bureaucrats, insurance forms, input clerks, etc, are needed to NOT take taxes and NOT give benefits.

Ditto, for hospitals, polyclinics, emergency care facilities, etc.
Nothing to lobby for.
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Old 05-02-2020, 04:27 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I got a really simple one to reduce the healthcare cost:

REMOVE THE LICENSING REQUIREMENT TO BE A DOCTOR OR NURSE!

That would immediately increase the amount of healthcare providers and reduce the cost. The current licensing can continue as optional. That way people can choose who they want to be their provider: licensed or unlicensed.
Yes, that is true.
The current scarcity was by design to drive up fees for physicians.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medica...#United_States)
In the nineteenth century, there were over four hundred medical schools in the United States. By 1910, the number was reduced to one hundred and forty-eight medical schools and by 1930 the number totaled only seventy-six. Many early medical schools were criticized for not sufficiently preparing their students for medical professions, leading to the creation of the American Medical Association in 1847 for the purpose of self-regulation of the profession.

Abraham Flexner (who in 1910 released the Flexner report with the Carnegie Foundation), the Rockefeller Foundation, and the AMA are credited with laying the groundwork for what is now known as the modern medical curriculum.
. . .
(Other references)
In 1904, there were 160 M.D. granting institutions with more than 28,000 students.

By 1920, there were only 85 M.D. granting institutions, educating only 13,800 students.

By 1935, there were only 66 medical schools operating in the USA.
- - -
2012 : 141 medical schools currently recognized by the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC)
(Yet America’s population quadrupled between 1900 and 2000. We should have at least 600 medical schools, to churn out a surplus of care givers.)


MALMEDICINE
http://pjmedia.com/blog/medical-licensing-laws/
http://rense.com/general33/gang.htm
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