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Old 05-04-2020, 05:19 AM
 
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That's sort of the key: Trump's floor of support.

If he does really have 40% minimum no matter what (no scandal, nothing can drop it below that) it boils down to how much of that remaining 6% that took a chance on Trump in 2016 will come along once more.

He likely can't win with just 40%. PA, MI and WI would tip the other way. If most of that 6% that took a chance on him (remember that last ditch effort from the 2016 campaign? "What do you have to lose?") agree with his policy and rhetoric, he might win, but it will be close. If he convinces some 2016 Clinton voters as well, that opens up some doors.

I don't know if that'll happen or not. I think if people were willing to hold their noses to vote for Clinton in 2016, Biden is probably easier to vote for. I don't think Trump can take away much of that support.
That’s always the case, on either side. We have approximately 35% of liberals who have said they would vote for a dead pig over Trump (or, in actuality, a man with pronounced signs of dementia who cannot complete a sentence).

It always comes down to the independents in swing states, and I believe most of them will go for Trump:

1) I think most of them know that Biden would have handled the virus worse - starting with allowing infected Chinese people to continue to fly in because not appearing xenophobic counts more than American lives - and that Trump’s policies, prior to the virus that nobody could have predicted, were working well - with record-low unemployment.

2) Biden is in record as to supporting free health insurance and college educations for illegals aliens, a position on tape and impossible to pivot back from.

3) Biden’s dementia is advancing rather rapidly, poor thing, and will be on full display by the time of the debates. I honestly don’t see how anyone but the hardened leftists, so driven by hate for Trump, would vote for someone with dementia.

 
Old 05-04-2020, 05:22 AM
 
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P.S. The upcoming vote will be between those who want to rebuild our American economy and those who want to usher in socialism. IOW: those who want to work for a living and those who want other people to support them (including paying off their college debts).
 
Old 05-04-2020, 07:09 AM
 
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I believe most of them will go for Trump:
Beliefs are a funny thing. They rarely are rooted in reality. Most of your statements are just conjecture and nothing else.
 
Old 05-04-2020, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Originally Posted by dspguy View Post
That's sort of the key: Trump's floor of support.

If he does really have 40% minimum no matter what (no scandal, nothing can drop it below that) it boils down to how much of that remaining 6% that took a chance on Trump in 2016 will come along once more.

He likely can't win with just 40%. PA, MI and WI would tip the other way. If most of that 6% that took a chance on him (remember that last ditch effort from the 2016 campaign? "What do you have to lose?") agree with his policy and rhetoric, he might win, but it will be close. If he convinces some 2016 Clinton voters as well, that opens up some doors.

I don't know if that'll happen or not. I think if people were willing to hold their noses to vote for Clinton in 2016, Biden is probably easier to vote for. I don't think Trump can take away much of that support.
We are very far out but I do think that the economy is not gonna bounce back this year. Too many people are not getting unemployment. The Walt Disney Company had a downgrade due to Covid-19 today and the stock fell. I doubt they are the only publicly traded company facing this.
 
Old 05-04-2020, 12:39 PM
 
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P.S. The upcoming vote will be between those who want to rebuild our American economy and those who want to usher in socialism. IOW: those who want to work for a living and those who want other people to support them (including paying off their college debts).
So, in your black and white world, those of us who believe that the billionaires should not reap a larger and larger share, hoarding the money instead of having it cycle through the economy and looking at the facts to understand that our system as it is now under 40 years of neo-liberalism is not working and is unsustainable are socialists who do not wish to work?

Okay, got it! I didn't realize that I didn't want to work and want free things! Thanks for letting me know! I challenge you to back up your claims with facts. If you hadn't noticed, what the data shows is that middle class people and small millionaires are more likely to be Democrats, whereby Trump's base is the tiny 1% and those who are below the median in education and income. So, your beliefs, once again, do not align with the facts.
 
Old 05-04-2020, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Too bad for you that Covid 19 hit us in March and you were able to lock us down in April and May and perhaps longer in some areas. But the warm weather, and the mask wearing and social distancing and just the general knowledge by a lot of people that our freedoms are being taken away should bring things back to a relative normal by September. If this virus had hit us in July or August for the first time, Trump would have been dead in the water by election day.
Yes, but we have a secret weapon...…...Donald J. Trump. He is the gift that keeps on giving, and he is too damn dumb to realize if he would just cool his heels, and not keep putting his foot in his mouth, the damage to him would not be as bad as it will be by November.

The man has no off switch, and certainly, no common sense. Keep it up Trump, we are cheering for you !
 
Old 05-04-2020, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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P.S. The upcoming vote will be between those who want to rebuild our American economy and those who want to usher in socialism. IOW: those who want to work for a living and those who want other people to support them (including paying off their college debts).
Is there no end to these ridiculous, unfounded, and prejudicial generalizations? It's really getting tiresome. And pathetic.
 
Old 05-04-2020, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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That’s always the case, on either side. We have approximately 35% of liberals who have said they would vote for a dead pig over Trump (or, in actuality, a man with pronounced signs of dementia who cannot complete a sentence).

It always comes down to the independents in swing states, and I believe most of them will go for Trump:

1) I think most of them know that Biden would have handled the virus worse - starting with allowing infected Chinese people to continue to fly in because not appearing xenophobic counts more than American lives - and that Trump’s policies, prior to the virus that nobody could have predicted, were working well - with record-low unemployment.

2) Biden is in record as to supporting free health insurance and college educations for illegals aliens, a position on tape and impossible to pivot back from.

3) Biden’s dementia is advancing rather rapidly, poor thing, and will be on full display by the time of the debates. I honestly don’t see how anyone but the hardened leftists, so driven by hate for Trump, would vote for someone with dementia.
Not that this matters much to you or Trump supporters (although it should) here is an "opinion" article that challenges much of what you are saying. Not saying you will even acknowledge it but I bet the White house Campaign team is looking at this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-bet-comeback/

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Jennifer Rubin
Opinion writer
May 3, 2020 at 7:00 a.m. PDT
Rarely have polls painted as consistent a portrait of President Trump’s and Republicans’ standing: Terrible. In multiple polls, former vice president Joe Biden has a comfortable lead nationally, and a small but consistent lead in battleground states ranging from Pennsylvania to Michigan to Arizona (!) and North Carolina. Needless to say, if the numbers hold and Biden wins Arizona, this will be a blowout election.

PRRI’s poll of battleground states finds, “Trump’s favorability in battleground states has dropped substantially since March, from 53% to 38%.” Non-college-educated voters, who previously were a key part of his base, are falling away. “Trump’s favorability among non-college graduates in battleground states has dropped 20 percentage points between March and April (59% to 39%), putting it more in line with his favorability in 2019 (45%).” In sum, “Large declines are also evident among those living in battleground states (-15 percentage points), those age 65 and over (-14 percentage points), white Americans without a college degree (-12 percentage points), and white women (-9 percentage points).”

This does not mean Trump is a goner. It does not mean Biden is home free. It does mean there has been a considerable erosion in Trump’s support, making him look more vulnerable than at any time this year. One can cite a host of reasons why now, of all times, the dam, if not breaking, seems less impervious to current events than have past incidents: Over 60,000 Americans have died and the economy is in shambles. Trump’s constant presence and irrational, incoherent rants make him seem even less capable and sober. Biden has sewed up the nomination, and has found campaigning from his basement has its pluses. He can control access and his message, while allowing Trump to self-immolate.
 
Old 05-04-2020, 01:06 PM
 
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Too bad for you that Covid 19 hit us in March and you were able to lock us down in April and May and perhaps longer in some areas. But the warm weather, and the mask wearing and social distancing and just the general knowledge by a lot of people that our freedoms are being taken away should bring things back to a relative normal by September. If this virus had hit us in July or August for the first time, Trump would have been dead in the water by election day.
Everyone wants things to go back to normal.

And who suggested social distancing and lockdowns? Our Liberal President?

I hope you are doing your part for the economy and spending your money on big ticket items and vacations you plan to take in the coming weeks. That's the Patriotic thing to do.
 
Old 05-04-2020, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Again.

I didn't say you were rooting for the virus.

My point is that the REACTION to the virus has been politicized and is being used as the latest thing to get Trump out. Anyone who questions the shutdown is shouted down. "YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT LIVES".

I must have repeated the same thing 3 times already.
If you need to repeat it 3 times then perhaps you weren't clear? You certainly are giving the appearance that the reaction to the virus is aimed at Trump when the truth is it's aimed at saving lives. You take an interesting position seeing as we are following the guidelines issued by the Trump Administration.
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