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Don't just say that it is false, but prove it.
A group is intolerant because it divides the people up in them and us.
Them meaning that which is unfamiliar = bad, us meaning familiar = good. If a group would let just everyone be part of the group (= is being tolerant) it would cease to be a group, therefore groups must be intolerant to survive as a group.
Originally Posted by gorgeet Don't just say that it is false, but prove it.
A group is intolerant because it divides the people up in them and us.
Them meaning that which is unfamiliar = bad, us meaning familiar = good. If a group would let just everyone be part of the group (= is being tolerant) it would cease to be a group, therefore groups must be intolerant to survive as a group.
Your arguement is one of the silliest I have ever heard. A 'group' is a collection of people who share a common trait or interest. Sometimes it is determined by genetics, sometimes it is a matter of choice. I happen to support a 'group' that calls itself 'Feed My Starving Children'. They share a common interest, which is to feed starving children no matter what their race, creed or religion. Please xplain how this 'group', is 'intolerant because it divides the people up in them and us'.
A 'group' is a collection of people who share a common trait or interest.
A group only needs to exist out of at least 3 people.
For the rest a group can exist out of anyone or anything.
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Please xplain how this 'group', is 'intolerant because it divides the people up in them and us'.
Men are not women, so if you have a group for only men, women cannot be part of that group.
It comes down to that groups need limitations; otherwise they will not survive as a group. If you allow everyone to be part of your group it then becomes so general that you cannot distinguish your group from others. Like when you call men women or women men.
Therefore groups need to be intolerant (read: exclusive) in order to survive as a group.
Originally Posted by gorgeet A group only needs to exist out of at least 3 people.
For the rest a group can exist out of anyone or anything.
Men are not women, so if you have a group for only men, women cannot be part of that group.
It comes down to that groups need limitations; otherwise they will not survive as a group. If you allow everyone to be part of your group it then becomes so general that you cannot distinguish your group from others. Like when you call men women or women men.
Therefore groups need to be intolerant (read: exclusive) in order to survive as a group.
Your arguement is one of the silliest I have ever heard. A 'group' is a collection of people who share a common trait or interest. Sometimes it is determined by genetics, sometimes it is a matter of choice. I happen to support a 'group' that calls itself 'Feed My Starving Children'. They share a common interest, which is to feed starving children no matter what their race, creed or religion. Please xplain how this 'group', is 'intolerant because it divides the people up in them and us'.
Though I'm usually not in agreement with "Tricky D', his observation is theoretically correct. Your group advocates "feeding starving children" (a GOOD idea, I might add). Therefore, one would probably be correct in assuming that YOUR GROUP would probably NOT welcome new members who advocated the starving of children..or the mistreatment of children.
You say your group is "good", and I agree. But it's STILL intolerant...intolerant of people whose goals are in conflict with yours.
The point is, that ALL GROUPS, in some way, think their goals, their purposes, and their members are in some way, "good"....otherwise, they wouldn't be part of the group. So people who feed starving children think they (themselves) are "good". But people who blow up airliners full of innocent people believe THEY are "good", too. I don't agree with them, but that doesn't matter..in their minds, they are "right", and by opposing them, I am "wrong".
ALL groups have some sort of 'boundary' or limits of what they will advocate, or 'tolerate', and what they won't. It's only in the past few decades that the ultimately "silly" idea of multiculturalism has tempted some of us 'enlightened' liberal Westerners to TRY and convince ourselves that all cultures are 'equal' or equivalent, and therefore ALL of us ought to 'tolerate' each other, without conditions. It's a nice idea, for an idealistic 12-year old, but it can't work...because some things we just CAN'T tolerate....and even if we DID, some "others" STILL wouldn't tolerate US. Nice "theory", but impossible to live by, in the real world.
We can strive for SOME degree of tolerance, but total tolerance would be suicidal.
Look at it this way....what are your feelings toward...let's say..."Racist Redneck bullies who beat up those whom they look down on"?.....My guess would be that you PROBABLY don't like them. You, and your 'group', and those with whom you associate, probably don't "associate" with them, and you could PROBABLY be said to be "intolerant" of these folks....
The "bullies" beat up folks they look at as 'bad'.....and YOU react to that, by judging the BULLIES as 'bad". So both you, AND the bullies, are 'judging' others. ALL of us do...
We can strive for SOME degree of tolerance, but total tolerance would be suicidal.
Or we could stop thinking in groups.
Or at least focus more on the similarities instead of the differences between people.
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Don't just say that it is false, but prove it.
If a group would let just everyone be part of the group (= is being tolerant) it would cease to be a group, therefore groups must be intolerant to survive as a group.
A group only needs to exist out of at least 3 people.
