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If I’m scoping out empty places for power tools and copper, can someone tell me why I should run up on two armed rednecks in the south with my fists?
At one point will we learn not to pick fights with random people? Not a bar fight, not a road rage fight, not a mall fight, not any fight because you don’t know how crazy the other person is.
Did you miss the part where they had chased him over several streets and had him blocked in between two cars before confronting him with guns drawn?
He tried flight, when that was no longer an option he tried to fight for his life.
If I’m scoping out empty places for power tools and copper, can someone tell me why I should run up on two armed rednecks in the south with my fists?
At one point will we learn not to pick fights with random people? Not a bar fight, not a road rage fight, not a mall fight, not any fight because you don’t know how crazy the other person is.
Arbery wasn't picking fights with random people. He was being chased by two men, both with guns, in a pickup. He switched directions, they pursued him, he switched directions a second time, they continued to pursue him. They cut him off, and this time he chose fight rather than flight. He already knew these people were a threat, that was made clear to him by their pursuit. Pursuers aren't random people.
It only matters to those on both sides that try to use jogging (or not jogging) to support their unsupportable positions.
One thing for sure, the victim was on foot running for his life in a t-shirt, shorts and some type of footwear while three guys (two armed in a pickup and another with at least a cell phone capable of video) in vehicles that were actively and aggressively chasing after him for a substantial period of time and distance.
You asked if it was lawful to merely be standing in the road with guns. We know from their own testimony they were chasing Arbery, so why the question?
If you are unable to see the potential issues with video showing Arbery running towards a stopped truck and a man standing in the road with a gun, I don't know how I can help you. It will almost assuredly be part of the defense's case.
That Georgia is an open carry state doesn't make the fact that Travis was in the road with a gun the "smoking gun" issue that some seem to think it is.
There is a lot of uncertainty about the exact nature of the "pursuit" through the neighborhood, and the events that led up to the shooting. But there isn't much uncertainty about what can be seen in the video.
This is far from a slam dunk case for the prosecution.
One of the videos you can see the boat. He is backtracking for fear of the Pitchfork mobs
The owner said the equipment was stolen during transport from one property to another and that it was not stolen while at this property. He didn't say the boat was stolen.
This may come as a surprise to you, but some people own multiple properties.
So, based on that, you conclude that he was jogging? That's one heck of an unsupported conclusion.
Concluding something that isn't supported by the evidence is just plain silly, and it does nothing to further meaningful discussion.
I conclude that he was out walking or jogging. Do you think he was floating???? The EVIDENCE is that he was dressed appropriately for walking or jogging, and he didn't have a vehicle. It's not silly to think that he was walking or jogging that day. Did he trespass on an under-construction property? The EVIDENCE shows that, too. Was he subsequently pursued by two men? And shot to death by one of them? Yes, the EVIDENCE shows that, too.
I understand that many who feel the McMichaels were in the right have to embellish the facts in order to defend them. But the EVIDENCE doesn't say that Arbery was a burglar. There is NO EVIDENCE that Arbery intended to steal anything. There is NO EVIDENCE that Arbery had stolen anything from that neighborhood at any time. There is NO EVIDENCE that Arbery was there for anything other than a walk or jog through a pretty neighborhood. You can never PROVE that Arbery was there for anything other than a walk or a jog. Mostly because Arbery is dead, and so no one can ever establish his intent. I don't know what additional information you are expecting to discover. But thus far, it's you making silly arguments.
I saw the interview on CNN of the guy who shot the video. His lawyer literally threw the entire Georgia school system under the bus and stated his client could not answer questions or understand the questions because he went to high school in Georgia.
I fly and drive to Atlanta regularly from Florida and forget how poor most of Georgia really is. Heck I forget how poor most of Florida is. I felt like I was watching a news interview from the 1980's.
Is there evidence of this happening, or are you just engaging in some artistic license as it makes for a better story?
From what I've seen and read, the first time a gun appeared was after Travis stopped the truck, and was standing in the road with his shotgun. Is there evidence of the guns coming out earlier, and being waved in Arbery's face?
The mcmichaels said they had the guns since the chase began.
OK, we can do the experiment where I will chase you around with my truck and I will only point my guns in the air so you can see. I will then yell at you to stop and detain you while waiving the guns not specifically to your face.
I conclude that he was out walking or jogging. Do you think he was floating???? The EVIDENCE is that he was dressed appropriately for walking or jogging, and he didn't have a vehicle. It's not silly to think that he was walking or jogging that day.
My position is that claiming that he was out jogging is unsupportable. If you aren't making that claim, then we are in agreement.
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Did he trespass on an under-construction property? The EVIDENCE shows that, too. Was he subsequently pursued by two men? And shot to death by one of them? Yes, the EVIDENCE shows that, too.
I understand that many who feel the McMichaels were in the right have to embellish the facts in order to defend them. But the EVIDENCE doesn't say that Arbery was a burglar. There is NO EVIDENCE that Arbery intended to steal anything. There is NO EVIDENCE that Arbery had stolen anything from that neighborhood at any time. There is NO EVIDENCE that Arbery was there for anything other than a walk or jog through a pretty neighborhood. You can never PROVE that Arbery was there for anything other than a walk or a jog. Mostly because Arbery is dead, and so no one can ever establish his intent. I don't know what additional information you are expecting to discover. But thus far, it's you making silly arguments.
You seem to be taking lessons from jencam and are railing against arguments that I'm not making. Perhaps you intended to respond to someone else when you posted this?
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