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Nor did they know the thief/gun felon didn't steal anything or destroy or damage anything in the house.
But they did witness him fleeing from the house and they did have reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
And that is the standard in Georgia law. Not absolute knowledge, not physical evidence or proof, not even an eyewitness.
All they needed to effect a citizen arrest is reasonable suspicion.
From their front yard which is where Gregory said he was you can not see the house that is under construction that is 5 houses down on the same side of a wooded street. Travis was inside of his house so he could not see the house under construction. They never claimed to see him leaving or entering the house on the day they chased him down.
Gregory said that he saw him running down the street. Running down the street is not probable cause that he did anything. So under GA law a citizens arrest would not be legal under those circumstances.
He was allowed to leave from the 2017 incident. There was no arrest, thus no conviction.
The probation violation would appear under the original case. It is not a separate crime. The violation would be reported to his probation officer who would file an affidavit with the Court saying he violated probation and they would decide at a hearing if there was a violation and whether to modify or revoke the probation.
There is no evidence the local police or the McMichaels knew the man who had been captured on video inside Larry English house under construction and who ran out of the house was Ahmaud Arbery
therefore irrelevant the fact that we know that background is irrelevant to McMichaels actions because there is no evidence he knew that man who he had seen before was Armaud Arbery or what his background was
That's not relevant. If there had been numerous break-ins in the neighbor by a young black male and if Arbery was seen in the neighborhood running then there was sufficient cause to assume Arbery might be the suspect. According to testimony, all McMichaels wanted to do was for Arbery to stop for a moment and talk. Arbery is seen grabbing the shotgun from the barrel end which is a pretty stupid thing to do in the first place. If Arbery was innocent what was the harm in just stopping and talking? He was probably guilty or in the least had a chip on his shoulder about white men. In either case grabbing the gun was a mistake. McMichaels technically should have left his shotgun in the car. He was covered by his son with the 357.
That's not relevant. If there had been numerous break-ins in the neighbor by a young black male and if Arbery was seen in the neighborhood running then there was sufficient cause to assume Arbery might be the suspect. According to testimony, all McMichaels wanted to do was for Arbery to stop for a moment and talk. Arbery is seen grabbing the shotgun from the barrel end which is a pretty stupid thing to do in the first place. If Arbery was innocent what was the harm in just stopping and talking? He was probably guilty or in the least had a chip on his shoulder about white men. In either case grabbing the gun was a mistake. McMichaels technically should have left his shotgun in the car. He was covered by his son with the 357.
What time of the day, or night did such break-ins occur? I'm just guessing said break-ins occurred overnight. However, the victim is seen running during the day, on the day of the murder. Why would they connect the victim, who is running during the day, to various burglaries which happened at night?
These background reports can be incorrect! I just looked myself up. My ID was stolen by someone convicted of fraud/using someone else's ID and that is attributed to ME now. ! I get that originally they thought she was me when arrested, as she gave them my identity. However, I thought her fraud charges were for using my ID. Ugh, now if someone looks me up they will think I did that.
That's not relevant. If there had been numerous break-ins in the neighbor by a young black male and if Arbery was seen in the neighborhood running then there was sufficient cause to assume Arbery might be the suspect.
Ahmaud did come across as a punk or thug and at least a gangster wannabe in that past video in the park with the police. The cop was not rude or hostile to him yet he was very hostile and disrespectful to the police officer. IN that video he came across as having a very ghetto attitude and the kind of person who has no respect for the law or for authority.
He also seemed so full of rage for no reason. I find it totally believable that he would attack those men and it didn't show him being chased.
From their front yard which is where Gregory said he was you can not see the house that is under construction that is 5 houses down on the same side of a wooded street. Travis was inside of his house so he could not see the house under construction. They never claimed to see him leaving or entering the house on the day they chased him down.
Greg said that he saw him running down the street. Running down the street is not probable cause that he did anything. So under GA law a citizens arrest would not be legal under those circumstances.
Yep, the only way they could know if Arbery was in the house is if the neighbor who was calling 911 yelled down to Greg McMichael who has said he was out in his yard that he came out of the house or was running out the house or some version of that.
So far, I am not aware there is any evidence of that happening.
That's not relevant. If there had been numerous break-ins in the neighbor by a young black male and if Arbery was seen in the neighborhood running then there was sufficient cause to assume Arbery might be the suspect. According to testimony, all McMichaels wanted to do was for Arbery to stop for a moment and talk. Arbery is seen grabbing the shotgun from the barrel end which is a pretty stupid thing to do in the first place. If Arbery was innocent what was the harm in just stopping and talking? He was probably guilty or in the least had a chip on his shoulder about white men. In either case grabbing the gun was a mistake. McMichaels technically should have left his shotgun in the car. He was covered by his son with the 357.
There were not numerous break-ins in the neighborhood by any young black male.
Where are you getting that from?
There may be some future evidence that a young black male broke in somewhere, but for now all we know is the break-ins/thefts could have been done by a man or a woman of any color.
Could just be some kids living in the neighborhood.....not uncommon even in middle to upper middle class white neighborhoods.
Ahmaud did come across as a punk or thug and at least a gangster wannabe in that past video in the park with the police. The cop was not rude or hostile to him yet he was very hostile and disrespectful to the police officer. IN that video he came across as having a very ghetto attitude and the kind of person who has no respect for the law or for authority.
He also seemed so full of rage for no reason. I find it totally believable that he would attack those men and it didn't show him being chased.
Being followed by three armed men in two vehicles just for running down a street, would indicate that the rage was well placed.
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