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View Poll Results: Was it murder
Yes 299 58.86%
No 68 13.39%
Don't know/let's wait and see as more evidence is gathered 141 27.76%
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Old 06-05-2020, 07:40 AM
 
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No, it really doesn't. The motive to chase was they thought he was a criminal.

There is no evidence he pulled the trigger because he wanted to kill a black man. The defence will make minced meat of that nonsense.
They thought he was a criminal...because...???

The information that came out yesterday was very damaging to the defense. They pursued Arbery, not because they saw him commit a crime, or that they had knowledge that Arbery had committed a crime, but because of a gut feeling. Arbery, an unarmed man on foot, was pursued by vehicles, hit by one of them, forced into a ditch by one of them, and he switched directions to evade them, three times. At one point he was almost out of the neighborhood, when the McMichaels forced him back. When they cut him off, with Roddy behind him and the McMichaels in front of him, he was boxed in. Travis McMichaels got out of the truck holding a shotgun and ordered Arbery to get on the ground. Arbery swerved away from Travis to the passenger side of the McMichaels truck, but Travis went around to the front of the truck to keep Arbery in his sights. Arbery had been trying to get away from these men, minute after minute after minute. He had established that they weren't going to let him leave the neighborhood. The first shot was to the chest. It didn't stop Arbery, he still wanted to get the gun away from Travis, the second shot hit Arbery's wrist, the final shot was a second shot to the chest.

There doesn't need to be any evidence that they wanted to kill a black man. The evidence only has to show that the three men pursued a man on foot with their vehicles, assaulted that man on foot with their vehicles, caused that man on foot to fear for his life, tried to detain that man at gunpoint, and subsequently killed that man. Their reckless behavior didn't just put a neighborhood at risk, it resulted in the death of man whose crime seems to have been jogging.

 
Old 06-05-2020, 07:48 AM
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Roddy really needs a new lawyer. This guy is all over the place.
He also has some blind spots when it comes to ability to process social feedback.

He was clearly irritating the judge, and he will irritate the jury, and he will be unaware.
 
Old 06-05-2020, 07:58 AM
 
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He also has some blind spots when it comes to ability to process social feedback.

He was clearly irritating the judge, and he will irritate the jury, and he will be unaware.
What was up with him asking if Roddy would have been legally able to make a citizens arrest for Arbery trying to steal his truck after he hit Arbery with that truck? No evidence that Arbery was trying to steal his truck as far as I know.
 
Old 06-05-2020, 08:13 AM
 
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Are they the same ones who defend a savage like George Floyd. No doubt he was a lowlife scumbag.

Arbery died for one reason, he made a horrible decision to attack someone with a gun when his life wasn't in danger.

If McMichael used those words I don't care. People get emotional during things like this. Is he a racist? Dunno about that either but I do know it plays no part in McMichael defending himself when Arbery purposely attacked McMichael because he didn't want to deal with police.
Arbery made a 'horrible' decision to attack someone with a gun when his life wasn't in danger?

That's quite a stretch to say the least, but not surprising that people would come up with all reasons to back up their own viewpoints.

Arbery was chased for over 4 minutes by these yahoos, at one point Arbery changed directions to try and get away from him yet they continued to aggressively chase him and hit him with their truck. They stopped their truck to try and cut him off while brandishing a weapon at him. There is zero evidence Arbery took anything from the property that day, nor did the McMichael's witness Arbery stealing any property before they chased after him with their truck.

A guy being chased like that will most definitely feel like his life is in danger.
 
Old 06-05-2020, 09:32 AM
 
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What was up with him asking if Roddy would have been legally able to make a citizens arrest for Arbery trying to steal his truck after he hit Arbery with that truck? No evidence that Arbery was trying to steal his truck as far as I know.
The GBI agent testified that Roddy claimed Arbery tried to open one of the doors to Roddy's truck....dont remember which one.

There is also an unidentified palm print on the door. The agent testified they have been unable to find anything with Arbery's palm print to match to it. Roddy and his fiance were ruled out as not matching the palm print. I believe he also said they are printing someone else who either borrowed or worked on the truck to see if that person matches the print.

The attorney's inference was that Roddy had reason to be afraid because Arbery was trying to get into the truck per Roddy. The GBI agent basically shrugged his shoulders and said, but he continued to follow Arbery.......inference being how afraid could he have been?

There were no finger prints identified as belonging to Arbery on the truck.
 
Old 06-05-2020, 09:39 AM
 
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No, it really doesn't. The motive to chase was they thought he was a criminal.

There is no evidence he pulled the trigger because he wanted to kill a black man. The defence will make minced meat of that nonsense.
Based on the information he had at the time along with recognizing Arbery Greg. M. believed (gut instinct) he was up to no good. When asked what additional info. they had to charge the defendants the GBI agent mentions the racial slurs as showing motivation. That's the card the prosecution will play as I don't think it will be difficult for the defense lawyers to argue Greg. M. had reasonable cause for giving chase.

However, even an all black jury will have difficulty finding the defendants guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of felony murder. Sure they'll see Greg as Travis M. racist *******s but they'll also see Arbery as bad news.

And you can be sure the defense will do their best to place as many home owners as possible on the jury.

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Old 06-05-2020, 09:51 AM
 
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Based on the information he had at the time along with recognizing Arbery Greg. M. believed (gut instinct) he was up to no good. When asked what additional info. they had to charge the defendants the GBI agent mentions the racial slurs as showing motivation. That's the card the prosecution will play as I don't think it will be difficult for the defense lawyers to argue Greg. M. had reasonable cause for giving chase.

However, even an all black jury will have difficulty finding the defendants guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of felony murder. Sure they'll see Greg as Travis M. racist *******s but they'll also see Arbery as bad news.

And you can be sure the defense will do their best to place as many home owners as possible on the jury.
Reasonable cause....based on one's gut. Hmmm....

Why would they see Arbery as bad news?
 
Old 06-05-2020, 09:53 AM
 
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Reasonable cause....based on one's gut. Hmmm....

Why would they see Arbery as bad news?

Based on the information Greg M. had at the time along with recognizing Arbery.
 
Old 06-05-2020, 09:57 AM
 
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Reasonable cause....based on one's gut. Hmmm....

Why would they see Arbery as bad news?
It's the video clips. No matter how you spin it is going to be very difficult to convince a jury Arbery wasn't up to no good. Maybe if he only went onto the property once or maybe if only during the day.

But after dark? A number of times?

Sure he didn't take anything but it can easily be argued that's only because he didn't see anything he wanted. Black jury, white jury... same thing.

They are going to see Arbery as trouble.
 
Old 06-05-2020, 10:01 AM
 
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Based on the information Greg M. had at the time along with recognizing Arbery.
Based on Greg's gut. Per yesterday's testimony. Greg M didn't "recognize" Arbery. We don't know that the video of the trespasser on February 11 even was Arbery. And Greg M could only have seen the video, because he didn't actually see the trespasser. But it's a black man running, so it MUST be the same guy, right?
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