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Old 05-17-2020, 06:24 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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This person is a moron. Someone in my family has already had Covid. It's a real disease, not a hoax. God I cannot believe the ignorance. Americans really are a nation of inbred, ignorant hillbillies who only want to believe what their preacher tells them or what Trump says.
No question it's a real disease and I have the argument all the time with my conservative friends. However there are plenty of real diseases for which we don't, on a whim, shut down the economy, close schools and universities and bar houses of worship from opening.
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Old 05-17-2020, 09:55 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Never violate a man's constitutional right to shop without wearing a dorky mask...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXn2b0yv6pQ

The guy could be right though, the whole plandemic might be a giant hoax.
Out of roughly 100 family members, friends, extended relatives, neighbors, etc, I still don't know anyone who has had covid-19.
I don't totally agree with the guy or his method of presentation.
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Old 05-17-2020, 10:25 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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I've come to realize that there is always one person who is just subversive. And to avoid fights, maybe the stores should sell masks at the front entrance.
Trader Joe's gives them.
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Old 05-17-2020, 11:10 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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Typical one sided think.

If I don't like it, its an infringement on my right. (ignore that private businesses also have rights).

The real disease here is the lack of understanding of what "constitutional right" actually means.

Up here so far, there hasn't been much I've seen of that going on.... not yet at least. Enough people have died and tragedy came too close to enough people that they are taking things seriously. I am glad to see businesses are open and doing what they can to be safe. I go shopping for food and necessities for my family quite often... have yet to see anyone causing problems.. have yet to see anyone (customers or employees) not wearing masks.

I frequent a 7-11 in town that was of a few weeks ago shuttered... the owner died of covid and he was often the one at the register.

I grew up in TX... have a lot of family and friends still there. I certainly hope others would learn from the experiences of those living in hot spots.. things done right and wrong.. improve on them and save lives. Unfortunately, I don't think that's happening considering some of the news I've heard. Don't think things should be completely closed nor completely open... there is a safe middle area.

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Old 05-17-2020, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Never violate a man's constitutional right to shop without wearing a dorky mask...


The guy could be right though, the whole plandemic might be a giant hoax.
Out of roughly 100 family members, friends, extended relatives, neighbors, etc, I still don't know anyone who has had covid-19.
He does not have a constitutional right to enter private companies to infect other people and products.
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Old 05-18-2020, 07:17 AM
 
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Near a county that was a huge advocate of the shutdown. The problem towns/most case were on the border of a large city and another county. Go into a store people do the mandatory stuff and if someone runs afoul no big deal. Get away from those areas local health officials have store owners so scared they jump on one for being 4-5ft away from someone with everyone wearing a mask. They SCREAM. Yet the border towns no one gives a poop yet they are the most infected. But in those border towns the snitches will call police for mass gatherings or open businesses yet go into a store browse a shelf or talk next to someone no big deal.
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Old 05-18-2020, 08:24 PM
 
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No question it's a real disease and I have the argument all the time with my conservative friends. However there are plenty of real diseases for which we don't, on a whim, shut down the economy, close schools and universities and bar houses of worship from opening.
It's not just "we" who shut down everything. Almost every other country in the world did, too. Do you really think it was shut down on a whim? DO you not think economists, scientists, doctors and many other experts were consulted first?

Do you understand what a pandemic is?

Do you understand how this virus is different from others?
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Old 05-18-2020, 09:30 PM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 28 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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I went back over your first post, to get a better understanding of where you are coming from. You're right the two are different, however, under ADA employers are still required to offer reasonable accommodations for either one.

Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and the ADA

PTSD in the Workplace ...

If your employer has not been made aware of your situation and been given the opportunity to act, then legally there is nothing you can do. This is a give and take situation ... when you hide an issue you are taking full responsibility for that issue. I'm also, thinking that there are resources available to you, that perhaps, you have yet to explore.
How To Apply For Disability if You Don’t Have Enough Work Credits


If there isn't anything on that page for you, keep looking ...


This is where you have to ask yourself, what is important to you? I know what I would do, but I'm not you and I wish you the best of luck in working this out for yourself.
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Yeah I don't remember if I disclosed to begin with on the job..probably because of my PTSD. It has worsened my short term memory. I did tell the guy who wanted me to do what caused me to have a really bad attack that it is stressful. I guess I need to be more specific.


I probably would be best to get disability though. Since this is only temporary until the crisis is over, I'm going to be in that really bad place again and I can't just keep thinking about the future.
I just don't know. I saw a lawyer a while back and he was the one that said I needed more work credits and that I wouldn't qualify for Disabled Child (I forget why). I'm still wanting to just get another job..don't want to have to go that route but I will look into your link if it comes to that.

Right now I'm trying DORS again but it's a really slow process and I don't have hope for it because of the last time but it's going to be a different coach so I could be wrong.
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I did tell the guy who wanted me to do what caused me to have a really bad attack that it is stressful.
You may be better served by speaking with members of management ... I'm not you though so take that advice with a grain of salt.

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Since this is only temporary until the crisis is over ...
I feel as though the situation we are in, in the wearing of these masks will become a part of our public day-to-day. I'd plan for it none-the-less.

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Right now I'm trying DORS again but it's a really slow process and I don't have hope for it because of the last time but it's going to be a different coach so I could be wrong.
As always, these programs are only as good as the people who are employed to carry out the service. Getting a different coach will make all the difference, I'm sure ...


~ cheers ~
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Old 05-18-2020, 09:35 PM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 28 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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No question it's a real disease and I have the argument all the time with my conservative friends. However there are plenty of real diseases for which we don't, on a whim, shut down the economy, close schools and universities and bar houses of worship from opening.
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It's not just "we" who shut down everything. Almost every other country in the world did, too. Do you really think it was shut down on a whim? DO you not think economists, scientists, doctors and many other experts were consulted first?

Do you understand what a pandemic is?

Do you understand how this virus is different from others?
Governments around the globe took advantage, just as the u.s. has done --- the difference between this virus and all other diseases, past and present the people in this world have dealt with and deal with is, the reaction to it.
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Old 05-18-2020, 10:02 PM
 
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Governments around the globe took advantage, just as the u.s. has done --- the difference between this virus and all other diseases, past and present the people in this world have dealt with and deal with is, the reaction to it.
The main difference is that this virus is NEW and unknown to us and we are still learning about it. That's what makes it so dangerous right now. It's also far more contagious than the flu, and more deadly. All the countries of the world did not get together to create a conspiracy for some political purpose. Shelter in place and lockdowns were about hospital capacity. and how it could potentially break the healthcare system and we'd get to a point where we'd have bodies in the streets - like they did in New York and Italy.
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