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Old 05-11-2020, 02:50 PM
 
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There is a flat Medicare fee for CV-19 related, deaths, yes. Just like there is a flat Medicare fee for many other diseases.

Is the ~$13K more or less than a Medicare reimbursement for "normal" pneumonia? What about heart attack? What about stroke/embolism?

How many CV-19 deaths are Medicare patients?
What is "normal" pnuemonia? Pneumonia is always caused by a virus or bacterial infection.

If you have a heart attack while battling Covid-19, it was most likely due to the stress Covid-19 placed on your respiratory system. When your breathing is restricted due to pneumonia, your heart beats faster so you can breathe more. If you're put on a vent, that's even more stress on the heart.

If I shoot you in the head, your heart may stop (heart attack) but cause of death wasn't a heart attack.
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Old 05-11-2020, 02:51 PM
 
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Isn’t there criminal? Or is that not a big deal to most?

https://youtu.be/Tw9Ci2PZKZg
If you have cancer and six weeks to live - you get COVID and die in 4 weeks -- you want them to put cancer as the cause?

And this represents a very small percentage of the populatiion they are referring to.

Y'all are over reaching.

There is a global pandemic It's not some conspiracy for anything. It just isn't......
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Old 05-11-2020, 02:53 PM
 
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So there are some in the conservative circles that are suspecting some deep state conspiracy to over state the impact of the virus.

So are you saying that our existing federal government is so incompetent they are playing along with this deep state conspiracy?

I say vote those suckers out -- either for total mismanagement of the virus or for not being able to get to what some of you think is some other truth.

Either way -- screams incompetence. LOL.
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Old 05-11-2020, 02:56 PM
 
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So there are some in the conservative circles that are suspecting some deep state conspiracy to over state the impact of the virus.

So are you saying that our existing federal government is so incompetent they are playing along with this deep state conspiracy?

I say vote those suckers out -- either for total mismanagement of the virus or for not being able to get to what some of you think is some other truth.

Either way -- screams incompetence. LOL.
If you believe this is a conspiracy, it needs to be a global conspiracy. Governments as diverse as China, Iran, USA, Italy, Mexico, and Russia are all in on it.

I believe it is what it is. A new virus. Several times deadlier than the flu that's highly contagious. And people are scared what will happen if they do nothing, so in some cases overreactions are better than under reactions.
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Old 05-11-2020, 02:57 PM
 
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Apparently? How about some data to back up your inflammatory claim?

Because I wasn't aware that states were paid for people's deaths. Who is paying them?
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Old 05-11-2020, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Apparently? How about some data to back up your inflammatory claim?

Because I wasn't aware that states were paid for people's deaths. Who is paying them?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ps/3019078001/
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Old 05-11-2020, 03:20 PM
 
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Nothing in your link even remotely suggests that states are being paid per death. Did you read it?
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Old 05-11-2020, 05:09 PM
 
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If you have cancer and six weeks to live - you get COVID and die in 4 weeks -- you want them to put cancer as the cause?

And this represents a very small percentage of the populatiion they are referring to.

Y'all are over reaching.

There is a global pandemic It's not some conspiracy for anything. It just isn't......
is this a trick question? did they test for covid?
diagnosed terminal cancer with a high mortality rate vs covid with a miniscule mortality rate for most. I'm going to guess terminal cancer is more than likely what contributed most to cause of death.
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Old 05-11-2020, 07:14 PM
 
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We DO make public policy based on flu data. The policy where flu vaccines are advertised and provided for "free" by local pharmacies. That money comes and goes somewhere - and one end is your pocket. That IS public policy, driven by CDC methods and data - and I am not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying it's the fact. We trust the VERY SAME method to take cash right outta your pocket. If you trust it for the flu vaccine - you MUST trust it for COVID. It's the same system. Might be the very same guy doing the math.
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Old 05-12-2020, 04:44 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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What is "normal" pnuemonia? Pneumonia is always caused by a virus or bacterial infection.

If you have a heart attack while battling Covid-19, it was most likely due to the stress Covid-19 placed on your respiratory system. When your breathing is restricted due to pneumonia, your heart beats faster so you can breathe more. If you're put on a vent, that's even more stress on the heart.

If I shoot you in the head, your heart may stop (heart attack) but cause of death wasn't a heart attack.
I obviously meant as compared to pneumonia not brought on by SARS-CoV-2.

I think we're on the same side here. Hospitals aren't classifying non-COVID deaths as COVID deaths as part of some money making scheme.
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