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Old 05-12-2020, 11:45 PM
 
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So I
Like I said . This never was about flattening the curve




So you are basically hinting at sheltering in place for for a year or more
Yes, it is. It's just also about keeping that curve flat long term to keep critical cases at a manageable level until some other factor(treatment/vaccine/better understanding of virus) comes into play.

I expect governors to keep piecemealing this 30-60 day extensions at a time rather than deal with the backlash of just coming out and saying we need to lock down for 9 months.
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Old 05-12-2020, 11:52 PM
 
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Yes, it is. It's just also about keeping that curve flat long term to keep critical cases at a manageable level until some other factor(treatment/vaccine/better understanding of virus) comes into play.

I expect governors to keep piecemealing this 30-60 day extensions at a time rather than deal with the backlash of just coming out and saying we need to lock down for 9 months.

Define a "manageable level".
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Old 05-12-2020, 11:53 PM
 
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Right, steps 1 and 2. That is my point and why I've asked several of those touting testing and tracing to tell us the rest of the story. Because the rest of the story is that steps 1 and 2 in themself accomplish nothing. You need the following steps of draconian control and forcible isolation and quarantine (is that "separation of families" that liberals are calling for?) but if people knew that up front many of them would not be willing to take things that far.


So what it takes is testing, contact tracing, health arrests, and forced quarantines.
Over dramatic much? The gestapo isn't gonna come and take you away. If your sick and have family, it's probably best you relocate until you recover. No one is gonna be "arrested".

After you get better you go back home.

If you live alone, you'll basically just be instructed to stay home until it passes. It might be more complicated if you live in an apartment building.

No one is being dragged away Chinese style. The only way I can see someone being arrested is if they are confirmed sick, and break quarantine. They become a literal threat to everyone around them.
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Old 05-13-2020, 12:02 AM
 
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Over dramatic much? The gestapo isn't gonna come and take you away. If your sick and have family, it's probably best you relocate until you recover. No one is gonna be "arrested".

After you get better you go back home.

If you live alone, you'll basically just be instructed to stay home until it passes. It might be more complicated if you live in an apartment building.

No one is being dragged away Chinese style. The only way I can see someone being arrested is if they are confirmed sick, and break quarantine. They become a literal threat to everyone around them.

Relocate where? Most people with a spouse and kids don't have a second home to retreat to. And if you leave it up to people to isolate and quarantine voluntarily, enough will not do so that the spread will continue. You might have noticed Cuomo's stats that 60% hospitalized had been staying at home.



It's not about what is being done... yet. We aren't conducting mass testing and contact tracing... yet. They won't reveal step 3 until they have steps 1 and 2 in place. It's just like this whole thing began in early March with canceled events and calls for voluntary social distancing. They knew then they would need to move to mandatory lockdowns but they didn't mention that at all in early March. Once they get steps 1 and 2 in place, and they act surprised that it by itself didn't reduce the numbers, they will insist they have no choice but to implement enforcement.
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Old 05-13-2020, 12:09 AM
 
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Relocate where? Most people with a spouse and kids don't have a second home to retreat to. And if you leave it up to people to isolate and quarantine voluntarily, enough will not do so that the spread will continue. You might have noticed Cuomo's stats that 60% hospitalized had been staying at home.



It's not about what is being done... yet. We aren't conducting mass testing and contact tracing... yet. They won't reveal step 3 until they have steps 1 and 2 in place. It's just like this whole thing began in early March with canceled events and calls for voluntary social distancing. They knew then they would need to move to mandatory lockdowns but they didn't mention that at all in early March. Once they get steps 1 and 2 in place, and they act surprised that it by itself didn't reduce the numbers, they will insist they have no choice but to implement enforcement.
We didn't count on idiots protesting which also extended the lockdown in many places because of the inevitable spread from those protests.

We wouldn't be going through this if preventative measures were taken, but also stopping everything that comes to the country. The lockdown would have been over sooner...
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Old 05-13-2020, 12:11 AM
 
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We didn't count on idiots protesting which also extended the lockdown in many places because of the inevitable spread from those protests.

We wouldn't be going through this if preventative measures were taken, but also stopping everything that comes to the country. The lockdown would have been over sooner...
Any proof that the protests are what are leading to more infections?
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Old 05-13-2020, 12:20 AM
 
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Any proof that the protests are what are leading to more infections?
No proof of it causing or not causing.

But wouldn't be surprising if it did.
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Old 05-13-2020, 01:43 AM
 
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Our hospitals are not overwhelmed.

So again, what does “flattening the curve” really mean?
Why do you think our hospitals are not overwhelmed? Might it have something to do with everyone staying at home?
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Old 05-13-2020, 06:00 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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" It’s the not “flattening the curve” anymore “it’s “until we have a vaccine” "

It's not even that anymore. It's not a vaccine, it's now vaccines.
According to whom? People keep repeating this claim, yet no one will cite someone who has publicly advocated that position.
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Old 05-13-2020, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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So I
Like I said . This never was about flattening the curve




So you are basically hinting at sheltering in place for for a year or more
As if a functional vaccine actually will appear in that time.

We have been lied to by far too many in government. This is a power grab, no more, no less. We are being conditioned to be good little sheep and never question authority.

This is about controlling a people, not a virus. And sadly and pathetically, I see far too many willing to accept it. Just lin up the railroad cars, I'm sure you'll have people happy to take a ride to the China-virus camps. It's for their own good after all. Oh, just ignore the smoke.
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