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Old 05-13-2020, 01:05 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I read it in the news that Andrew Cuomo said up to 60% of people who got COVID-19 were staying home. You question me and then post the same thing? What do you think this shutdown is for people? Most of them have to leave to go to the store or get food. That was my point, they don’t work that well.
Nope. You need to read more carefully. You said this:

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We can’t keep lockdown forever. People will not comply forever. More than half of covid cases in NYC were people who were under stay at home orders. Obviously these orders are not working entirely.
The link I posted said it was more than 60 percent of new hospitalizations in New York that were people who stayed at home. Hospitalizations and cases are not the same thing.

See the link below:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ma...ome-2020-05-06

You have no idea what you are talking about.... Not going to address your other comments because they've already been addressed in other posts in this thread.
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Old 05-13-2020, 01:31 AM
 
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I remember when this was supposed to be a short term shutdown.

This is why you can't let them get their nose in the tent.
When July gets here then it may be another month or few more months.

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I'm asking how many deaths are you willing to accept for the country to be open for business. What number of lives is worth keeping the economy open?
How many deaths from poverty related issues due to the economy being shut down is acceptable?
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Old 05-13-2020, 01:33 AM
 
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And the scary part is there are people who actually think we should stay shut down indefinitely- until we find a vaccine that may never come.
Yes, and there will be many deaths as a result of the economy failing.
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Old 05-13-2020, 01:40 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Don't like local leaders? Vote 'em out.
We can't. Here in California, the local leaders I would like to vote out are Democrats and California is a Democratic-voting state (unfortunately, did not used to be that way).
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Old 05-13-2020, 01:50 AM
 
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Why would it suddenly end in three to four months?


What exactly is the Endgame?
It's already been two months. They're adding another two or three months after first saying a couple of weeks. When the new set of months is up then more will be added.

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One thing to note about this pandemic vs. the last major pandemic (the Spanish Flu):

In 1918, there were no known asymptomatic cases for the Spanish Flu; you felt sick (and usually very sick) within about 24 hours of encountering the flu, or you very likely did not have it at all. Healthy people, unlike today, were not considered a threat to one another.

Nevertheless, cities that imposed more restrictions in 1918 fared better than those that posed fewer. That is, cities that closed schools, movie theaters, had bans on large gatherings, etc. had lower death tolls especially during the SECOND wave that hit in fall 1918.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0330110344.htm
Were there tests like there are now to see if someone was asymptomatic? I seriously doubt it. There may be asymptomatic people all over for the regular flu, but they only test people with symptoms so they don't ever know. Asymptomatic people with any virus may possibly pass a virus along.
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Old 05-13-2020, 01:59 AM
 
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And how long do we keep these restrictions? Remember when we were told it was just two weeks to flatten the curve?


Why are the goal posts constantly being moved?
Yes, that's going on here as well. It was to flatten the curve for two to three weeks. Then it changed to end the spread and any new case is a failure to stop the spread. Pretending to open things up with the threat of closing down again if the cases go up while at the same time increasing testing all over the state is a sure way to get the cases to spike.
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Old 05-13-2020, 03:37 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Yes, and there will be many deaths as a result of the economy failing.
Economists have shown that mortality rates generally decline during economic contractions or recessions in high-income countries.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...cause_of_death

During economic contractions: pollution declines, work hours decline, people have more time for themselves, traffic deaths decline, and deaths from cardiovascular disease decline. With more free time and less money on their hands, people tend to consume less tobacco, exercise more, prepare healthier meals, etc.
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Old 05-13-2020, 04:14 AM
 
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Economists have shown that mortality rates generally decline during economic contractions or recessions in high-income countries.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...cause_of_death

During economic contractions: pollution declines, work hours decline, people have more time for themselves, traffic deaths decline, and deaths from cardiovascular disease decline. With more free time and less money on their hands, people tend to consume less tobacco, exercise more, prepare healthier meals, etc.
I saw somewhere on the CDC site total deaths have gone down since the pandemic and the lockdown.
We should just protect ourselves and our fellow citizens by never going back to work, not going anywhere except for extreme necessity. Every time I get in my car I am putting someone at risk. Anytime I buy something I don't need I am putting someone at risk who had to make it.

Otherwise we show we just don't care and are evil human beings. And we are not following the science.
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Old 05-13-2020, 04:15 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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People are being played here and many of them don't even realize it.
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Old 05-13-2020, 04:17 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Don't blame governments for trying to help keep their citizens safe. Your anger is misplaced. There is no "they." There's an "it," and its name is Covid.
It's name is fascism. It's all about control.
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