We need to reopen now! (biased, compared, election, elect)
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Originally Posted by Chicano3000X
Anyone stating that probably doesn't have any family or friend that they care about.
I have an 84-year-old husband in a care facility and I agree with bmexman. I also think my husband would agree with bmexman, if he were capable of making an informed choice.
Yes.....because the number of tests are increasing. More testing = more cases.
But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned.
Right, if we had done a better job of setting a base line with testing a month ago, we might have a better handle on what is happening with the virus. We don't........
So we have to start somewhere. As more testing is done over the next couple of weeks, we can see if the numbers do drop or if they continue to grow
Remember social distancing has helped to mitigate the spread. If we open up completely what will happen --we really don't know......until we have a better picture.
I am sick and tired of these fascist restrictions on our freedoms, our rights, and our lives.
I am sick of this social distancing nonsense and we must completely reopen NOW! And when I mean completely reopen, reopen everything as it was before this "new normal."
I am sick of seeing "we will return when it's safe." .
Yeah, sweetheart, we get it. You're sick. Suck it up, buttercup. Pandemics are hard. You are not suffering worse than anyone else. Cry me a river.
Yeah, we are heading into an economic toilet but reopening willy-nilly will make it much worse and much longer. The US botched the response to the global virus. Face it. How many tens of thousands need to die so you can be happy? You want to make it worse. I'm sick of people like you whimpering and whining about whatever frivolous crap you want to do...and can't. Grow a pair.
"More testing = more cases." Right, so test the daylights out of the population so we can get this figured out. If you have many unidentified contagious people walking around, you will now have proof that reopening was/is a serious mistake --- or not. Maybe it is better than we think. More cases = more deaths. Testing needs to be increased.
The US had 24,000 new cases identified yesteday. We are at 90,000 deaths with 30,000 more projected by mid-June. We had 1200 deaths yesterday (One every 82 seconds). This does not show signs of going away. Our curve has been flattened somewhat, either that or our testing is so sparse and ineffective as to be useless in planning, modeling, and decision making. We have to hope it is the former thanks to isolation and lockdown efforts.
"More testing = more cases." Right, so test the daylights out of the population so we can get this figured out. If you have many unidentified contagious people walking around, you will now have proof that reopening was/is a serious mistake --- or not. Maybe it is better than we think. More cases = more deaths. Testing needs to be increased.
The US had 24,000 new cases identified yesteday. We are at 90,000 deaths with 30,000 more projected by mid-June. We had 1200 deaths yesterday (One every 82 seconds). This does not show signs of going away. Our curve has been flattened somewhat, either that or our testing is so sparse and ineffective as to be useless in planning, modeling, and decision making. We have to hope it is the former thanks to isolation and lockdown efforts.
More testing would exactly find more cases. The problem is those that say that does have a political agenda behind it. The problem is states are running blind largely because they aren't testing enough. Arizona was supposed to only have three Saturdays of their "testing blitz". The first two were only producing 3/5ths of the intended results. They extended it for this reason.
The curve is flattened but we need to continue social distancing to keep the curve flattened. Reopenning has proved to be at odds with it. That is why I've said it is a bad idea to reopen. If the goal is to keep cases from flooding the hospital, we shouldn't give people an avenue to not social distance. Arizona saw this with a bar the first night night of reopening. It looked like normal whether we talk tables or where people stood near each other.
Are you actually saying that unemployment is worse than death? Must be a pretty small life.
Unemployment may not greatly matter for some. Likewise with losing a business, or a divorce, or whatever else. I'm not here to judge. But for me personally, there have been numerous setbacks in life, whereupon I regret that I didn't die. I'd prefer not have been around, to sustain the consequences.
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Originally Posted by Chicano3000X
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I could not see her and I lost contact with her. I think about her alot. It effin' blows. ....
Gotta understand that science is based on the current data. We didn't initially know how the virus worked, and we are learning more and more about it. It is NOVEL VIRUS. A virus that is new. It may eventually be not as bad as we thought, or more dangerous than we thought.
Where some of us object, is the erring-on-the-side-of-caution. Science speaks in probabilities, based on the available evidence, which is inevitably incomplete. Science does not - and does not pretend to! - make moral judgments, or policy judgments. Science does not, and can not, assign a dollar-value to a human life. Or even a dollar-value to lost opportunities, such as your potentially having lost the love of your life.
Science gives estimates on the likelihood that there are torpedoes being launched. Science does not, and can not, bombastically exclaim, "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"
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Originally Posted by Chicano3000X
Why are yours more important than mine? See how that works?
Good point. That's exactly my response to SunGrins, below.
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Originally Posted by vkhmini
I have an 84-year-old husband in a care facility and I agree with bmexman. I also think my husband would agree with bmexman, if he were capable of making an informed choice.
Bmexman's thesis is indeed heartless and crude, but whether or not it is factually wrong, is debatable. Going further, I personally don't think that a harrowing holocaust that annihilates billions of people - say, a much worse virus - would be a "good thing". But from a cold calculation of what's best for sustainability, who's to say?
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Originally Posted by SunGrins
Yeah, sweetheart, we get it. You're sick. Suck it up, buttercup. Pandemics are hard. You are not suffering worse than anyone else. Cry me a river.
...I'm sick of people like you whimpering and whining about whatever frivolous crap you want to do...and can't. Grow a pair.
The "suck it up" and "grow a pair" admonitions aren't helpful. They can be easily reversed and levied against the accuser. Lost your parents to the virus? Suck it up, buttercup. Caught the virus yourself, suffered a massive stroke, and now you have dementia and paralysis? Grow a pair. Sounds callous? I hope so. Because it is.
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