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Old 05-15-2020, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Why does anyone think that the USA is somehow unique, that we would always be the great nation we once were 50 years ago? Times change, history moves on, we had our day in the sun. We decided more or less as a society to take the downward path, none of us can abdicate our responsibility for our decline.
Yet, before this pandemic, the US was still very much the most economically powerful nation on the planet.

The world has seen the most prosperous and peaceful 80 year period in its history and it is mostly due to the existence of the big dumb benevolent superpower that I assume you are residing in. So yes, the USA is most certainly a unique nation and it has been since its inception. The only ones who disagree with this are either leftists or morons.
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Old 05-15-2020, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Here
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The “world” will always find something wrong. You can't please everybody. There is zero point in even bothering trying on our part. Does France, China, Russia, other members of Europe care what we think of them? Of course not.
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Old 05-15-2020, 07:50 AM
 
Location: 49th parallel
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What do we need to do so that “the world” looks favorably towards us? When they say “jump” do we not jump high enough? Are we too slow when massah say “jump”? F them. I could care less what they think or having to cater to their GD whimsey. They don't like it then what are they going to do about it?
Unfortunately the isolationist theory doesn't work in this day and age. People want to be able to buy the cheapest products but want to bash the countries that make them and export them to us. That doesn't work. People want to be able to say F*** you to other countries if they criticize us but still want to make sure their help will be there if we're attacked. That doesn't work either.

Frankly, we've had our day laughing at and criticizing some other countries for their strange and backward-looking political policies (and even interfering militarily when we felt like it); now it's their turn to do the same with our strange and backward-looking policies.
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Old 05-15-2020, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Here
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Unfortunately the isolationist theory doesn't work in this day and age. People want to be able to buy the cheapest products but want to bash the countries that make them and export them to us. That doesn't work. People want to be able to say F*** you to other countries if they criticize us but still want to make sure their help will be there if we're attacked. That doesn't work either.

Frankly, we've had our day laughing at and criticizing some other countries for their strange and backward-looking political policies (and even interfering militarily when we felt like it); now it's their turn to do the same with our strange and backward-looking policies.
Yet the only one to mention “isolation” was you. Of course isolationism is impossible, not sure why you even mentioned it. I/we can still say F them and laugh at them just as they continue doing so at us. You should be just as concerned if not more so about the well being of our country as you are with theirs.

Only difference is they could care less while limp wristed pansies here fret and worry about pleasing everybody. You can't please everybody.
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Old 05-15-2020, 08:07 AM
 
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France has nearly twice as many COVID-19 deaths per capita than the US despite identifying nearly half as many cases per capita.....I don't think they have anything to laugh about, and if they are, it sounds like your friends aren't very bright.
France is also more densely populated than the US and much closer to Italy, the original COVID epicenter in the Western world. Also, they have had a coordinated and very well-managed national response that involved a strict lockdown (stricter than anything in the US), government supporting those who were out of work to minimize economic damage, interregional cooperation in regards to virus-fighting resources. Their “déconfinement” is also highly structured and is already succeeding. Mark my words within a month or so, things will be much better there and in the rest of Europe while we will be fighting our way through a second wave.

Please note: I am not saying France’s response was perfect. There were a lot of issues with undercounting deaths in retirement homes for instance. But on the whole what I’ve seen is a responsible, well-planned response.
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Old 05-15-2020, 08:13 AM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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France is also more densely populated than the US and much closer to Italy, the original COVID epicenter in the Western world. Also, they have had a coordinated and very well-managed national response that involved a strict lockdown (stricter than anything in the US), government supporting those who were out of work to minimize economic damage, interregional cooperation in regards to virus-fighting resources. Their “déconfinement” is also highly structured and is already succeeding. Mark my words within a month or so, things will be much better there and in the rest of Europe while we will be fighting our way through a second wave.

Please note: I am not saying France’s response was perfect. There were a lot of issues with undercounting deaths in retirement homes for instance. But on the whole what I’ve seen is a responsible, well-planned response.


Now it is confirmed.......It was .50 cents worth of something else. A veiled attempt to shift blame away from the CCP.


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Old 05-15-2020, 08:14 AM
 
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France has nearly twice as many COVID-19 deaths per capita than the US despite identifying nearly half as many cases per capita.....I don't think they have anything to laugh about, and if they are, it sounds like your friends aren't very bright.
I take it you are proud that out of about 200 countries, America is #12 in MOST deaths per 1M population? American Exceptionalism! Go us!

France's population density is also 4x greater than ours. If social distancing has any role to play, it is simply harder to do it there.
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Old 05-15-2020, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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France is also more densely populated than the US and much closer to Italy, the original COVID epicenter in the Western world. Also, they have had a coordinated and very well-managed national response that involved a strict lockdown (stricter than anything in the US), government supporting those who were out of work to minimize economic damage, interregional cooperation in regards to virus-fighting resources. Their “déconfinement” is also highly structured and is already succeeding. Mark my words within a month or so, things will be much better there and in the rest of Europe while we will be fighting our way through a second wave.

Please note: I am not saying France’s response was perfect. There were a lot of issues with undercounting deaths in retirement homes for instance. But on the whole what I’ve seen is a responsible, well-planned response.
Most of the US’s cases have been in the Northeast US urban corridor, overall a far more densely populated area than France. In addition, the US saw almost 800 thousand arrivals from China in the December to February timeframe. Far exceeding that of any other nation.
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Old 05-15-2020, 08:19 AM
 
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France is also more densely populated than the US and much closer to Italy, the original COVID epicenter in the Western world. Also, they have had a coordinated and very well-managed national response that involved a strict lockdown (stricter than anything in the US), government supporting those who were out of work to minimize economic damage, interregional cooperation in regards to virus-fighting resources. Their “déconfinement” is also highly structured and is already succeeding. Mark my words within a month or so, things will be much better there and in the rest of Europe while we will be fighting our way through a second wave.

Please note: I am not saying France’s response was perfect. There were a lot of issues with undercounting deaths in retirement homes for instance. But on the whole what I’ve seen is a responsible, well-planned response.
My Francophile friend, those excuses don't explain why they have more deaths per capita despite fewer confirmed cases per capita. It would suggest that their response was significantly less effective than that of the US.
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Old 05-15-2020, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The last thing I care about is the sensitivities of a collection of Leftists and Europhiles; Europe has a long history of oppression and blood-lust, and most of our ancestors came here to get away from it; enough said?

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