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Old 05-18-2020, 11:18 AM
 
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Everyone is always complaining about how expensive college is. Well with classes going online due to Coivd, look at what a waste it is to have professors give the same lectures all day to different groups of students. If the lectures were online, you would only have to give the lecture ONE TIME. Not multiple times per day to every new class. Students could then send the professor questions, or the professor could have a separate time slow to go over questions. You could cut staff costs in half or more.
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Old 05-18-2020, 11:25 AM
 
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Online degree programs cost the same, if not more (due to the online surcharge), as traditional classroom.

Many professors do hold a certain classes once, not the same multiple times, this has been going on for years and years now. The higher the level, the more likely this is to happen.

Lectures are only one small part of what a professors does, and many classes are not lectures at all, but interactive instruction. I would say the majority of classes are not straight lectures all the time, and of those that are, they are mostly in the 101, 201 classes.

You ever been to college?
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Old 05-18-2020, 01:25 PM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Online degree programs cost the same, if not more (due to the online surcharge), as traditional classroom.

Many professors do hold a certain classes once, not the same multiple times, this has been going on for years and years now. The higher the level, the more likely this is to happen.

Lectures are only one small part of what a professors does, and many classes are not lectures at all, but interactive instruction. I would say the majority of classes are not straight lectures all the time, and of those that are, they are mostly in the 101, 201 classes.

You ever been to college?
What a change. 101 especially were grad students, many were terrible teachers. Many in math and science were not understandable being from SE Asia. 300 and 400 level were mostly profs.

Then again this was the 1980s. Things have apparently changed bigly.
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Old 05-18-2020, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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Everyone is always complaining about how expensive college is. Well with classes going online due to Coivd, look at what a waste it is to have professors give the same lectures all day to different groups of students. If the lectures were online, you would only have to give the lecture ONE TIME. Not multiple times per day to every new class. Students could then send the professor questions, or the professor could have a separate time slow to go over questions. You could cut staff costs in half or more.

By and large, students hate online classes if they chose to go in-person (and there were plenty of online options for students if they have wanted that to begin with). The students at my university call in complaints if the faculty who had to shift their teaching method in less than a week dare to prerecord so much as one lecture. The type of intellectual inquisitiveness we want to foster in universities is not going to be fulfilled by prerecorded lectures.



Maybe other schools are different, but our students expect to have direct contact with their faculty and peers. A recording isn't going to do it. Not to mention, after your first year, you don't really have many classes with more than 50, much less 100, people in the class. Every college is different, but a student who chooses a college where most of their classes are less than 30 people and are seminar/experiential style aren't going to be swayed by video lectures. And as an employer, who fresh out of college am I going to look more favorably upon? The student who sat in silence watching a video or the student who was expected to engage in the classroom?



How will labs work? Public speaking? Performance and arts? Research? Networking? Not to mention opportunities to develop leadership skills and pursue new interests in a place where that's all everyone wants to do?


While students wouldn't have to pay room and board or activities fees, online classes are more expensive. I got my master's degree online and, like most, each credit cost more - the technology infrastructure and staffing required to support faculty to design an accessible (huge legal requirements for ADA accessibility), enriching class requires far more financial resources than the average lecture.


I think online classes may grow, and we're never getting a snow day again, but if anything this is showing many students how much they value on-campus courses.
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Old 05-18-2020, 02:19 PM
 
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Lol, sure thing. Administrations aint gonna lose a penny. Im for it but good luck. Local school administration says they need More money now that kids arent there. Money money money. You aint savin a nickle. Costs typically go one way..^
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Old 05-18-2020, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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Lol, sure thing. Administrations aint gonna lose a penny. Im for it but good luck. Local school administration says they need More money now that kids arent there. Money money money. You aint savin a nickle. Costs typically go one way..^



Salary is not what's driving the increase in tuition - promotions are hard to come by and salary raises at <2% a year at most aren't even keeping up with rent increases. Universities receive far less government funding than they did in the 90s or before. That funding never recovered after 2008, and will be cut once again now, which means state schools in general will have to increase tuition while also cutting jobs and salaries, leaving those left behind doing twice the work with less to show for it.



The technology needs are IMMENSE compared to 20, or even 10, years ago. That means there's greater staff needs, software, and resources required for informational technology services, online course design (even without online classes, most classes offer some digital component), research and lab needs, library databases, email maintenance, communications/marketing, VOIP, etc. I work on a digital comms team and when I was hired almost 10 years ago, I was the third person on the team. Now, there's 8 with a handful more in other departments, and we're all working 60+ hours a week. It's not fluff when more people visit your website and social media than ever visit campus, open a pamphlet, or, gasp, pick up a phone.



Is there waste? Sure. Look at college athletics for a big one. But from where I sit, most of us in higher ed are doing a whole lot for very little and that's only going to get far worse.
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Old 05-18-2020, 03:29 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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You still need to allow Q&A so the instructor can expand on those topics about which you are unclear. Even the best video lecture won't give you that. Perhaps some sort of AI combined with FAQ videos may work?
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