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They are in a great position to say, OK, we're not overwhelmed, we can stand a few more patients here - yes - but - the point of the action is to PREVENT infection not RESPOND to it. We want to PREVENT IT. By doing NOTHING - because there are few cases nearby - then you are - by definition - waiting for cases to arrive. You are RESPONDING. You are reactive. You are playing defense. No other vocation works that way. You don't buy condoms after the party's over.
Ouch!
You pretty much stomped all over the moron. I hope his butt-hurt isn't too bad.
Being proactive means closing the borders instead of letting 1,000s of infected Americans pour into the US and spread the disease.
It might actually be cruel and unusual punishment to let Millions of Americans fend for themselves in the nightmare horror show going on in the rest of the world, so a quarantine would have been better, because at least the Americans would have been here in the US.
Once the borders are closed or a quarantine in place, the CDC could have been proactive and enlisted the aid of the 50 States, 3,007 counties and 39,000+ municipalities who all have health departments to engage in contact tracing.
That would have taken 5-7 days and stopped the pandemic butt-cold.
So, Trump failed and he owns this.
Even so, that does not relieve the governors of their duties, responsibilities and obligations to their residents.
While governors cannot close their borders, all 50 States have emergency power acts paralleling the federal act and the governors have the power and authority to quarantine.
Apparently, the CDC has no clue how to use land-lines, smart-phones or email, but hopefully each State cabinet level health secretary does and could have contacted USCIS to obtain the names, addresses and phone numbers of Americans and foreigners entering the US and living/staying in their State.
If the USCIS balked, well, that's what federal courts are for. It would have taken less than 24 hours to get a federal judge to order the USCIS to release that data, and then the States can do their own contact tracing, since the CDC apparently doesn't know how to do that, either.
Failing that, the governors still could have used their emergency powers to take control of their hospitals and activate the appropriate National Guard units that have medium lift capability to coordinate healthcare resources between hospitals so that all hospitals are supplied, none are overwhelmed and healthcare workers do not become Slaves working 24/7.
The real question is when COVID-19 Part Deux comes in the Fall, what are they going to do?
Probably the same thing. A lot of posturing, grand-standing and hand-wringing.
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Finally - his main advice - to let the local health care dept. deal
with it - is not bad
That's not gonna work.
That would be appropriate for a local disaster, which would include an epidemic but not a pandemic.
Hospitals can only coordinate with other hospitals in their monopolistic cartel.
Only the governor could order hospitals to coordinate with other hospitals, including hospitals that aren't affiliated with a particular monopolistic cartel.
OH, and the part at the end about “cause of death” didn’t really sit well with me. I have never been asked for a test result for any other disease process before determining the cause of death. I have always determined it by symptomatology. If anything, I think the COVID death toll is under-reported rather than over-reported.
But that will all comes to light when we determine how many people have died OF ALL CAUSES in an area during a specific time period. Those numbers are pretty stable from year to year. In NY, the number of people who died in March and April was WELL above the average deaths + COVID deaths. And that was during a time when deaths from most other causes was down, due to the lock downs. That gives a strong indication that the COVID deaths were very much under-reported.
I've heard this maybe once or twice in the media otherwise crickets which is surprising because it's so logically sound it should be the example given when explaining Occam's razor.
Unless there are secret death cults committing suicide starting around the time Covid came on the scene there really needs to be a nationwide study and analysis of this paradigm.
Been saying most of this since the beginning of it all, way back in early March.
And what do the tyrants say in response? "He's a doctor, it's not like he knows what he's talking about." The only doctors they believe in are the ones who keep pushing fear and panic into everyone.
Despite the Doctor on this video not "wanting to believe" that these moves are political, it's time for people to quit calling it a conspiracy theory - this is very political, and it's intentional.
For the comprehension impaired: The virus is not "political", the over reaction and over reaching governments are definitely making it political - intentionally.
There's nothing political about asking this Dr. what his plan is. All I heard for 20 minutes is how everyone else is doing it wrong, and how he, himself, does not like what they're doing. He did not offer an alternative plan - which is a whole lot like everyone else. NOT "liking" his video is not (necessarily) political - but he was like listening to my neighbor. All complaint, zero substance.
If you can find a spot (except where he said let the locals sort it out - which I personally disagree with, although I do AGREE it was a suggestion - I just don't think it will work) - if you can find a spot where he gives us the answer - great.
In all fairness, Right now, EVERYTHING gets politicized in the US. And I do mean everything. Coronavirus gets politicized in other countries too, let's be realistic about it, but in the U.S., It’s an election year.
Of course, on the face of it, a rapidly-developing epidemic/pandemic should be dealt with effectively as a scientific and technical challenge. But in reality, any major ripple on the surface of life - epidemics, conflict, earthquake, hurricane, flood, famine, wildfires, or climate change ….. ALL involve decision-making, political advantage, money, shifts in priorities, and especially political power.
I'm curious as to the underlying reason for such easy dismissal of the findings by top ranked specialists, while clinging to this doc's voice. Doctors aren't in the same field as epidemiologists, or virologists, listening to Dr Michael Osterholm the other day I realized what a huge difference there was between those in the practitioner field of US medicine and the scientist docs who delve into the much more nuanced aspects of disease.
Dr Barke, (in the video) seems to have some valid credentials, but those don't fully cover the expertise needed to make decisions about viral threats for the rest of us. For my money I'll go the path of the people with the MOST pertinent background and expertise in epidemiology/Virology as it applies to pandemic scale. As to the notion that Dr's Birx and Fauci are spreading "fear'and "panic," I can only say, we live in a society which is terribly lacking in the ability to understand the complexities of medical science, and worse, we see a growing mistrust of medical science while favoring the opinions of lower ranked, and less educated, everyday doctors.
That is the truth. Just like those two guys who run a clinic in California who make ridiculous claims about this virus, this quack is looking for his 15 minutes of fame.
Me, I prefer to go with the proven experts, like Fauci. My life is to precious to me to gamble on witch doctors.
Are the hospitals in rural areas, such as Waterloo, IA, overwhelmed with COVID patients coming down with it from working at the local meat processing center? Hundreds have tested positive. If not, the doctor was right. No shutdown was needed.
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