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Old 05-21-2020, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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According to the New York Times 36,000 lives would have been spared if Trump wasn't wrapped up in calling it another Dem hoax.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/20/u...gtype=Homepage
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Old 05-21-2020, 10:00 AM
 
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Everybody stalled to some degree.

The only criticism I really have is that in the background -- behind closed doors, the federal govt. should have been exploring scenarios -- best case to worst case. BUT Trump is a myopic thinker and he can't comprehend the need for exploring scenarios, making plans -- while trying to publicly assure the public.

It is clear Trump not only tried to downplay in order to avoid panic but also because he felt it was going to personally reflect on him.

Honestly -- of curse the impact of the virus is not soley on him but his claim of shutting down travel from China solving the problem -- when it didn't -- suggesting all kinds of wild scenarios because he has a knack for this -- created chaos.

His lack of focus, concentrated, specific messaging made for some wild deviations from suggested federal guidelines.........

If people are concerned it is because they don't have faith in their leadership.
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Old 05-21-2020, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Everybody stalled to some degree.

The only criticism I really have is that in the background -- behind closed doors, the federal govt. should have been exploring scenarios -- best case to worst case. BUT Trump is a myopic thinker and he can't comprehend the need for exploring scenarios, making plans -- while trying to publicly assure the public.

It is clear Trump not only tried to downplay in order to avoid panic but also because he felt it was going to personally reflect on him.

Honestly -- of curse the impact of the virus is not soley on him but his claim of shutting down travel from China solving the problem -- when it didn't -- suggesting all kinds of wild scenarios because he has a knack for this -- created chaos.

His lack of focus, concentrated, specific messaging made for some wild deviations from suggested federal guidelines.........

If people are concerned it is because they don't have faith in their leadership.

I agree with every point that you made.
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Old 05-21-2020, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Everybody stalled to some degree.

The only criticism I really have is that in the background -- behind closed doors, the federal govt. should have been exploring scenarios -- best case to worst case. BUT Trump is a myopic thinker and he can't comprehend the need for exploring scenarios, making plans -- while trying to publicly assure the public.

It is clear Trump not only tried to downplay in order to avoid panic but also because he felt it was going to personally reflect on him.

Honestly -- of curse the impact of the virus is not soley on him but his claim of shutting down travel from China solving the problem -- when it didn't -- suggesting all kinds of wild scenarios because he has a knack for this -- created chaos.

His lack of focus, concentrated, specific messaging made for some wild deviations from suggested federal guidelines.........

If people are concerned it is because they don't have faith in their leadership.
Of course if Trump overreacted and declared martial law on Jan 20--the shameless hateful libs would have called him a tyrannical dictator.
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Old 05-21-2020, 10:36 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Of course if Trump overreacted and declared martial law on Jan 20--the shameless hateful libs would have called him a tyrannical dictator.
and so would a lot of conservatives (as they should)....

Your post isn't relevant to the post your quoted. it is a "what if" scenario based on a extreme drama and doesn't really make a point.


President's actions should be a measured response... neither under nor over reaction. Downplaying or over-reaction to any situation can have consequences. The quoted post correctly stated that the President's actions downplayed the seriousness of the situation.
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Old 05-21-2020, 10:39 AM
 
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Of course if Trump overreacted and declared martial law on Jan 20--the shameless hateful libs would have called him a tyrannical dictator.
They immediately called him wildly xenophobic when he stopped the travel from China, while DNC representatives told their supporters there was nothing to worry about and precautions against the virus had already been taken. It was safe to carry on. Oops......
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Old 05-21-2020, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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The New York Times with an anti Trump article? Say it ain't so!

Morons.
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Old 05-21-2020, 10:47 AM
 
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As they say hindsight is 20/20. If we had had locked everyone out the country including US citizens, devoted all the resources of the military to patrol and guard our borders, stopped imports and completely shut down society we could of saved everyone. Of course on the other hand if nothing came of it you decimated the economy for no reason.



These are not easy decisions nor are they ones to be taken lightly. They need careful consideration balancing risk aversion with effects on the economy.
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Old 05-21-2020, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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As they say hindsight is 20/20. If we had had locked everyone out the country including US citizens, devoted all the resources of the military to patrol and guard our borders, stopped imports and completely shut down society we could of saved everyone. Of course on the other hand if nothing came of it you decimated the economy for no reason.

These are not easy decisions nor are they ones to be taken lightly. They need careful consideration balancing risk aversion with effects on the economy.
If we had shutdown all the roads last year we would have saved 40,000 lives!!!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-straight-year
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Old 05-21-2020, 11:01 AM
 
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When do they examine Cuomo and his choice to delay and the nursing home disaster?

Andrew Cuomo is no hero. He's to blame for New York's coronavirus catastrophe

Two Coasts. One Virus. How New York Suffered Nearly 10 Times the Number of Deaths as California.

But the timing of New York’s shutdown undeniably played a role in the dire human toll the virus has exacted. In April, two prominent experts said in a New York Times opinion article that their research showed that had New York imposed its extreme social distancing measures a week or two earlier, the death toll might have been cut by half or more.

It’s an assessment shared by Dr. Tom Frieden, the former head of New York City’s Health Department. “Days earlier & so many deaths could have been prevented,” Frieden tweeted in April.

Asked if Cuomo questioned the accuracy or integrity of the findings on how many deaths might have been prevented with an earlier imposition of the statewide shut down, a spokesman wrote:

“Our job is to make policy decisions based on the facts and data we have at the time and that’s exactly what we did. We needed the public’s buy-in, which is what happened, and how we ultimately flattened the curve.”

In recent days, Cuomo has said he wished he had been quicker to see the threat, “blow the bugle” and take action, only to all but instantly shift tone and cast blame everywhere: at international and U.S. health agencies; at the federal government; at news organizations.

“Governors don’t do global pandemics,” Cuomo said.



The second link has a bunch of detail about Cuomo.
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