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Old 05-24-2020, 09:16 AM
 
Location: southern california
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The assertion that if mr trump had acted a few weeks early there would be no virus is pretty weak but with November coming up and you having long ago abandoned the democratic process of Honest elections it’s understandable
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Old 05-24-2020, 09:17 AM
 
Location: In the desert
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And Cuomo has been doing such a great job, right? Almost 25% of US fatalities happened under his watch.
You guys just won't hold this president responsible for anything without deflecting & bringing up the other guy will you?
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Old 05-24-2020, 09:19 AM
 
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The assertion that if mr trump had acted a few weeks early there would be no virus is pretty weak but with November coming up and you having long ago abandoned the democratic process of Honest elections it’s understandable
I haven't heard anyone say that if Trump had acted sooner there would be no virus. Nobody, not one.
You know very well what people have said about his response time.
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Old 05-24-2020, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The assertion that if mr trump had acted a few weeks early there would be no virus is pretty weak but with November coming up and you having long ago abandoned the democratic process of Honest elections it’s understandable
No it would have been possibly less. Instead he lost February and early March claiming it would like a miracle be down to zero and their new hoax at a rally before the first confirmed death. As I said in another post, America was lucky that there was only minimal cases related to sports events since the sports events were only basketball, hockey and motorsports (two of the three aren't as big as they once was.) The biggest problem though is Trump doesn't make it sound like he cared about the virus until it was too late. Then again so did normal Americans.
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Old 05-24-2020, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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You guys just won't hold this president responsible for anything without deflecting & bringing up the other guy will you?
And "you guys" won't miss any opportunity to blame the discontents of every idiot in Darling Hillary's Village on the fact that millions of Americans saw through the smoke and mirrors four years ago.
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Old 05-24-2020, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Honestly -- of curse the impact of the virus is not soley on him but his claim of shutting down travel from China solving the problem -- when it didn't -- suggesting all kinds of wild scenarios because he has a knack for this -- created chaos.
In Trump's defense, it was the duty of the Secretary of Health, the Director CDC, the Director National Institute of Health, the NSC Chief of Staff, the entire NSC, the Director CIA, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretaries of the Army, Navy and Air Force, the heads of the branch service intelligence agencies, and those persons in the Department of Defense responsible for training and doctrine as it relates to the military's response to epidemics/pandemics to tell Trump that by the time a pandemic is recognized, the disease has already spread outside the country of origin.

COVID-19 was spreading in September, possibly as early as August.

At that time, only a few hundred were infected and only a handful of deaths, so no reasonable person would have been concerned.

Unfortunately, China's Flu Season is the same as the US, so as deaths from COVID-19 start increasing in October and November, it's masked by flu deaths, so no reasonable person pays any attention.

It's only in December when there are far more deaths than normal, which is the definition of epidemic, that people start paying attention and looking for the cause.

During that time, a number of international business conferences were held in Wuhan, as were conferences by international NGOs and international sporting events.

And, yes, the CIA would have a record of all those events (and probably dossiers on all attendees as well.)

Those people at those events were carrying COVID-19 back to their countries.

If your government didn't know that, then that's a massive failure of an incompetent government.

On the other hand, if they did tell Trump and he ignored them because he gets a chubby for China, then that's on him. He owns it.

Seriously though, you'd have to be pretty goddam dumb not to understand that Chinese fly to other countries where they meet Americans for any number of reasons, or happen to be on the same plane with Americans and people from other countries, so barring flights from Wuhan could never stop the spread.
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Old 05-24-2020, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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Not only was Trump late for the party as he fell asleep at the wheel, most all of the incompetent leaders he appointed failed to do their jobs in the deferent agencies of the government.

Little to none of the PPE’s needed ever got sent to the major cities and states in need of the equipment. Failure after failure for weeks and months on end helped cause this pandemic mess in America. Just another one of the “good job Brownie” that caused issues in New Orleans years ago. “Good job Donny” - “This flu will be gone in a week or two”. It was and is a National crisis and POSTUS walks away leaving each state governor to lead. This war on a pandemic crisis had failed leadership by our wartime president and his appointees. If it had been a military war our “bone spur” president would have cut and ran, instead he sat on the toilet and twitted how good of a job he’s doing.
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Old 05-24-2020, 10:50 AM
 
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In Trump's defense, it was the duty of the Secretary of Health, the Director CDC, the Director National Institute of Health, the NSC Chief of Staff, the entire NSC, the Director CIA, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretaries of the Army, Navy and Air Force, the heads of the branch service intelligence agencies, and those persons in the Department of Defense responsible for training and doctrine as it relates to the military's response to epidemics/pandemics to tell Trump that by the time a pandemic is recognized, the disease has already spread outside the country of origin.

COVID-19 was spreading in September, possibly as early as August.

At that time, only a few hundred were infected and only a handful of deaths, so no reasonable person would have been concerned.

Unfortunately, China's Flu Season is the same as the US, so as deaths from COVID-19 start increasing in October and November, it's masked by flu deaths, so no reasonable person pays any attention.

It's only in December when there are far more deaths than normal, which is the definition of epidemic, that people start paying attention and looking for the cause.

During that time, a number of international business conferences were held in Wuhan, as were conferences by international NGOs and international sporting events.

And, yes, the CIA would have a record of all those events (and probably dossiers on all attendees as well.)

Those people at those events were carrying COVID-19 back to their countries.

If your government didn't know that, then that's a massive failure of an incompetent government.

On the other hand, if they did tell Trump and he ignored them because he gets a chubby for China, then that's on him. He owns it.

Seriously though, you'd have to be pretty goddam dumb not to understand that Chinese fly to other countries where they meet Americans for any number of reasons, or happen to be on the same plane with Americans and people from other countries, so barring flights from Wuhan could never stop the spread.



More proof that we should have began social distancing ever since society began. Who knows when some virus might show up
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Old 05-24-2020, 12:34 PM
 
Location: In the desert
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And "you guys" won't miss any opportunity to blame the discontents of every idiot in Darling Hillary's Village on the fact that millions of Americans saw through the smoke and mirrors four years ago.
You just vote for the "devil you know". I am quite aware of the "fours years ago" & what when on.
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Old 05-24-2020, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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You just vote for the "devil you know". I am quite aware of the "fours years ago" & what when on.
You mean the dummy I know -- still not as much of a threat as anything the Cult of the Braying Jackass can conjure up.
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