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California has had optional vote by mail for years, and there is NO proof that there ever has been any fraud or problem with it. It may be true that Democrats may gain by having mail in voting in some states but that would only be because a TRUE count was done because vote by mail makes voter suppression more difficult. For years, Republicans have worked at making sure Dem areas lost polling places, were gerrymandered out of positions, required draconian documentation then closed the offices where you get it, etc. A true vote in the US would favor Democrats, and the Republicans know it.
Anytime there is evidence of voter fraud in liberal areas, it is swept under the rug and covered up.
That's why there's "NO proof", as you wrote.
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You are overlooking the fact the voting machines can, and have been tampered with in the past, and very likely will be in future elections as well. At least with paper ballots there is an actual physical voting trail that can be traced back to the individual voter if need be. With strictly electronic votes there is infinite ability to make votes disappear or even go to another candidate if the hacker wishes them to do so. So many voting machines are old, outdated, and extremely vulnerable to hacking that manipulating them from long distances is not only easy, but has been proven.
Just like they got wiped out in California with the introduction of "ballot harvesting".
I live in a semi-rural area with cluster mail boxes, perfect candidate for “ballot harvesting”.
Last cycle my ballot didn’t arrive so I went to a polling location, showed ID and voted in person.
When I did this I received a brand new ballot with a new ID number, and the ballot which was previously mailed was immediately voided. I know this because I asked.
So even ballot harvesting can be easily neutralized if folks actually want to vote.
I recall similar arguments made in 2016. Do tell us what "tactics" the GOP adopted to "skew" the election.
Or will you just continue pushing nonsense?
I saw similar arguments from the GOP during the close 2018 Arizona Senate election. The votes were close on Election Day and the mail-in ballots were needed. Typically races are not too close to call even if it is a percent of the vote or not. The GOP in the days after were scared that Rep. Sinema would overcome the lead Rep. McSally had on the night of Election Day. About the Thursday after, the Arizona Republican Party tried to injunct to stop votes being counted. Mind you, I mail-in vote for Arizona every year since 2013. They cited "irregularities" in counting. There was none. The Arizona Republican party feared that Rep. McSally would lose and she did. Sinema was elected Senator while McSally was named Senator and running again this year and getting slapped around in the polls.
When republicans start claiming voter fraud, several months before the election, it's obvious that they realize they will lose in a big way and adopting tactics that might skew things in their favor, is the only course of action they can propose. Mail-in balloting has been successfully conducted in several states for some time and it should become the national standard for all elections. And despite republicans' best efforts, it probably will be adopted nationally. Republicans know that individual democrats have fewer resources than they do and not so many are able to travel to polling places. They want to obstruct mail-in voting, to preserve one of their unfair advantages.
This is a naive look at mail-in ballots.
So much fraud could occur--and will. But the Democrats would love that--and it would be ever so convenient for them, wouldn't it.
It is not a good system for accuracy in voting. That is why it has never been a standard way for everyone to vote, over the course of history.
Accuracy is key--and mail-in ballots are just asking for folks to cheat the system, and get their candidate elected.
Oh please...Oregon has had vote by mail for decades. In an extensive study they found 54 potential cases of voter fraud, a rate of .002 of all votes
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SALEM — A study of the November 2016 election in Oregon has revealed 54 cases of suspected voter fraud, representing only .002 percent of votes cast, Oregon secretary of state Dennis Richardson announced Friday.
Of the total, 46 people apparently voted in Oregon and in some other state, six ballots were turned in under the names of people listed as dead, and two people appeared to have voted more than once, Richardson said in a videotaped announcement . Richardson, a former Republican state representative from Central Point, said the evidence has been turned over to the state attorney general's office for criminal investigation and prosecution. https://mailtribune.com/news/happeni...possible-cases
You really shouldn't hang on to the things Trump says as though they represent the truth, because they seldom do.
When republicans start claiming voter fraud, several months before the election, it's obvious that they realize they will lose in a big way and adopting tactics that might skew things in their favor, is the only course of action they can propose. Mail-in balloting has been successfully conducted in several states for some time and it should become the national standard for all elections. And despite republicans' best efforts, it probably will be adopted nationally. Republicans know that individual democrats have fewer resources than they do and not so many are able to travel to polling places. They want to obstruct mail-in voting, to preserve one of their unfair advantages.
It's been successfully conducted by ALL states for DECADES in the form of absentee ballots.
If it's good enough for active military, it's good enough for me.
So much fraud could occur--and will. But the Democrats would love that--and it would be ever so convenient for them, wouldn't it.
It is not a good system for accuracy in voting. That is why it has never been a standard way for everyone to vote, over the course of history.
Accuracy is key--and mail-in ballots are just asking for folks to cheat the system, and get their candidate elected.
Absentee voting has occurred successfully since Union soldiers voted in the election of 1864.
Absentee voting and voting by mail is the same thing. They follow the same rules.
What worries Republicans is not that there is rampant fraud. It’s a fear that the more people that vote, the less likely the Republicans will prevail. Trump flatly stated that himself.
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