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Old 05-27-2020, 11:45 PM
 
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China does not care about sanctions , tarrifs, Non tariff barriers, nothing. We can sanction China, destroy their economy , they do not care. Every hit to the U.S.'s economy is a win in their book, even if it causes two hits to their own economy.

We have a big big problem. China simply does not care about their economy. They do not care if we sanction them. They likely want their economy to fall , bc poor people are easier to brainwash.

The only thing the CCP cares about is remaining in control and this is why they are dangerous , bc they'd sacrifice their own economy before giving up an inch of control on their people.

the world has a big problem on their hands.


How can China expect to bring hundreds of a millions out of poverty, build a middle class, yet continue to brainwash them? Is China afraid of its own success? Are they afraid their middle class, the rat tribes, are becoming to wealthy to educated and this could cause a revolution? Does the CCP really care about economic growth anymore or are they more concerned with controlling their populace. Are the CCP realizing a poor populace similar to NK is actually easier to control and therefore purposefully sabotaging the world? Does world instability and economic instability in China actually help keep the CCP in control? Are poor easier to control?



Has the CCP realized that a growing middle class and economy may actually be its downfall and a reason for concern. As the internet and economic freedoms in the 21st century bring education and education brings awareness and awareness can cause distrust and revolution among its populace.
Revolution doesn't happen in the open. It bubbles under the surface until it eventually explodes. Does the growing middle class actually present a problem for the CCP and is the CCP becoming aware of this?
Can they continue to use internet restrictions as a primary tool of suppression during the 21st century?

Does the CCP see sabotaging their own economy and creating world instability as a strategy to remain in power?

Will bringing the Beijing Rat tribes into the middle class cause them to turn their anger toward the CCP,

and For everyone criticizing the HK protesters,

If the CCP was slowly taking over America, and the U.S. was simply bowing down to the CCP and voting in a law that could prohibit freedom of internet and imprison you for three years if you disrespected the Chinese National anthem (meaning if you refused to recite the Chinese National Anthem)

If this was happening in the U.S. would you watch America fall to the CCP , would you go quietly into the night or would you protest?

Supporting the protesters is something liberals and conservatives in congress actually agree on. This is a bipartisan issue.Every congressman/women in the U.S. supports the HK protestors, EVERY SINGLE ONE.

makes me wonder if the people talking bad about the protesters actually support the CCP.

If the CCP was comfortable with its current standing they wouldn't be causing conflict in India, HK and the South China Sea.
They are worried about something.
You are watching the fall of the CCP and it is glorious.

The thing the CCP is worried about is a growing distrust among its own population. Among the Beijing Rat tribes who are now middle class. Chinese polls say Chinese nationalism is at the highest level ever. I don't believe those polls. I believe its the opposite.
China cannot have its cake and eat it too.
They can not use their growing class as a market for the West while simultaneously hiding from their people the fact that they lack basic human rights, that there is a reason they cannot access youtube , that their government is an evil regime comparable to the Nazis.
You cannot hide a 500 million middle class from the fact that their being ruled by an evil regime. Maybe it can work in a smaller, poorer country like North Korea but it cannot work in China . The people are slowly waking up, educating themselves, using their VPN's to breach the great firewall, coming out of the fog. The CCP's biggest fear is their own people turning on them, and that is what is slowly happening. Human nature fights against oppression and the more Xijinping ratchets up the propoganda the more an undercurrent of revolution will build up. Once the 500 million middle class of China has the same hate for the CCP as the HK people it is over for the CCP and you can expect them to release all their bioweapons at that time. However, we're ready for it this time and it will squash the CCP like the cockroaches they have always been.

Rise up Hong Kong
Rise up Chinese middle class
Rise up Beijing Rat Tribes
Rise up America
Rise up planet earth
We are dealing with the 21st century Nazi Germany
A sheep in wolves clothing that looks like a peaceful consumer of iphones and exporter of petroleum but a wolf nonetheless

The Time to end the CCP is now.

And it could not have come sooner.

China is attempting to "divide and conquer" the U.S.
but we are smarter,
no matter what happens in November , we need a nationalistic rising in the U.S., coming together, sharing a common belief, that the CCP is evil and needs to go

for all the innocent people that have died at the hands of the CCP over the last 50 years, for all the innocent lives lost , I say:

Death to Xijinping
Death to the CCP

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Old 05-27-2020, 11:58 PM
 
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How can China expect to bring hundreds of a millions out of poverty, build a middle class, yet continue to brainwash them? Is China afraid of its own success? Are they afraid their middle class, the rat tribes, are becoming to wealthy to educated and this could cause a revolution? Does the CCP really care about economic growth anymore or are they more concerned with controlling their populace. Are the CCP realizing a poor populace similar to NK is actually easier to control and therefore purposefully sabotaging the world? Does world instability and economic instability in China actually help keep the CCP in control? Are poor easier to control?

China does not care about sanctions , tarrifs, Non tariff barriers, nothing. We can sanction China, destroy their economy , they do no care. Every hit to the U.S.'s economy is a win in their book, even if it causes two hits to their own economy.

We have a big big problem. China simply does not care about their economy. They do not care if we sanction them. They likely want their economy to fall , bc poor people are easier to brainwash.

The only thing the CCP cares about is remaining in control and this is why they are dangerous , bc they'd sacrifice their own economy before giving up an inch of control on their people.

the world has a big problem on their hands.

Has the CCP realized that a growing middle class and economy may actually be its downfall and a reason for concern. As the internet and economic freedoms in the 21st century bring education and education brings awareness and awareness can cause distrust and revolution among its populace.
Revolution doesn't happen in the open. It bubbles under the surface until it eventually explodes. Does the growing middle class actually present a problem for the CCP and is the CCP becoming aware of this?
Can they continue to use internet restrictions as a primary tool of suppression during the 21st century?

Does the CCP see sabotaging their own economy and creating world instability as a strategy to remain in power?

Will bringing the Beijing Rat tribes into the middle class cause them to turn their anger toward the CCP,

and For everyone criticizing the HK protesters,

If the CCP was slowly taking over America, and the U.S. was simply bowing down to the CCP and voting in a law that could prohibit freedom of internet and imprison you for three years if you disrespected the Chinese National anthem (meaning if you refused to recite the Chinese National Anthem)

If this was happening in the U.S. would you watch America fall to the CCP , would you go quietly into the night or would you protest?

Supporting the protesters is something liberals and conservatives in congress actually agree on. This is a bipartisan issue.Every congressman/women in the U.S. supports the HK protestors, EVERY SINGLE ONE.

makes me wonder if the people talking bad about the protesters actually support the CCP.

If the CCP was comfortable with its current standing they wouldn't be causing conflict in India, HK and the South China Sea.
They are worried about something.
You are watching the fall of the CCP and it is glorious.

The thing the CCP is worried about is a growing distrust among its own population. Among the Beijing Rat tribes who are now middle class. Chinese polls say Chinese nationalism is at the highest level ever. I don't believe those polls. I believe its the opposite.
China cannot have its cake and eat it too.
They can not use their growing class as a market for the West while simultaneously hiding from their people the fact that they lack basic human rights, that there is a reason they cannot access youtube , that their government is an evil regime comparable to the Nazis.
You cannot hide a 500 million middle class from the fact that their being ruled by an evil regime. Maybe it can work in a smaller, poorer country like North Korea but it cannot work in China . The people are slowly waking up, educating themselves, using their VPN's to breach the great firewall, coming out of the fog. The CCP's biggest fear is their own people turning on them, and that is what is slowly happening. Human nature fights against oppression and the more Xijinping ratchets up the propoganda the more an undercurrent of revolution will build up. Once the 500 million middle class of China has the same hate for the CCP as the HK people it is over for the CCP and you can expect them to release all their bioweapons at that time. However, we're ready for it this time and it will squash the CCP like the cockroaches they have always been.

Rise up Hong Kong
Rise up Chinese middle class
Rise up Beijing Rat Tribes
Rise up America
Rise up planet earth
We are dealing with the 21st century Nazi Germany
A sheep in wolves clothing that looks like a peaceful consumer of iphones and exporter of petroleum but a wolf nonetheless

The Time to end the CCP is now.

And it could not have come sooner.

China is attempting to "divide and conquer" the U.S.
but we are smarter,
no matter what happens in November , we need a nationalistic rising in the U.S., coming together, sharing a common belief, that the CCP is evil and needs to go

for all the innocent people that have died at the hands of the CCP over the last 50 years, for all the innocent lives lost , I say:

Death to Xijinping
Death to the CCP
Lol.... All of this conspiratorial trash just to give Donald Trump an out for his own incompetence.
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Old 05-28-2020, 12:00 AM
 
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Does the CCP feel threatened by their burgeoning middle class, causing them to purposefully sabotage their own economy?

Nonsense.

The very wealthy have close party ties. The Gongchandang has practically abandoned it's ideology decades ago, it's ok to be rich, and has been that way since the 1980's under Deng XiaoPing.

Unlike the USA, the government of the PRC holds a lot of stock in major corporations, and these provide the revenue to do all that mundane stuff like pave streets, build airports and BTW create a stunning canal system to bring fresh water across the country from the wet south to the parched north.

There is no incentive to muck up the economy. This is fantasyland thinking from people who just can't wait to get their hands on a fresh new conspiracy theory to play with, and know next to nothing about China ...
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Old 05-28-2020, 12:07 AM
 
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Does the CCP feel threatened by their burgeoning middle class, causing them to purposefully sabotage their own economy?

Nonsense.

The very wealthy have close party ties. The Gongchandang has practically abandoned it's ideology decades ago, it's ok to be rich, and has been that way since the 1980's under Deng XiaoPing.

Unlike the USA, the government of the PRC holds a lot of stock in major corporations, and these provide the revenue to do all that mundane stuff like pave streets, build airports and BTW create a stunning canal system to bring fresh water across the country from the wet south to the parched north.

There is no incentive to muck up the economy. This is fantasyland thinking from people who just can't wait to get their hands on a fresh new conspiracy theory to play with, and know next to nothing about China ...
I believe the select few who are CCP members or have ties to the CCP will keep their high quality of life despite what happens to the economy.

I believe the only thing threatening their standard of living is a growing middle class turning on them, and that is why they may try to intentionally suppress their own people. Bc poor people are easier to control. (see North Korea)

This line of thinking isn't really a conspiracy theory or held only among "trump supporters"
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Old 05-28-2020, 12:19 AM
 
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Lol.... All of this conspiratorial trash just to give Donald Trump an out for his own incompetence.
Trump did a very poor job in responding to the Virus. The CCP likely predicted this outcome and it doesn't take away any responsibility on the CCP intentionally spreading the virus by shutting down domestic flights out of Wuhan but encouraging international ones.

The CCP likely waited until right before the election to intentionally allow the virus to spread/ release their bioweapon. If the CCP was going to release a virus/ bioweapon , don't you think they would do it strategically as possible?

If it was released one year after an election cycle do you think their would be more blame on the president or more of a focus on China.

They know half the country hates the president and would focus on blaming him , a perfect scapegoat.

The CCP is smart , they timed everything, it happening during xmas break when half a million international students return to the U.S.

6 months before an election cycle , when they know many people would choose to blame the governments response more then them despite , obvious facts they intentionally encouraged its spread like shutting down domestic flights from wuhan but encouraging intl ones.

At least there are no facts trump purposefully tried to spread the virus, we have facts China did.

I think Trump should do more to control the virus, such as possibly wearing a mask in public and not encouraging mass gatherings at places of worship.

The CCP attacked us and Trump failed us,,,,, it looks like trump is back on course by taking a hard stance against the CCP tho, i mean the CCP can only get the WHO to lie to the world once, they got their bioweapon in, i dont see anything else they can throw at us, despite purposefully causing world instability by intentionally tanking their economy but spending all there money on Defense and arms

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Old 05-28-2020, 02:53 AM
 
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The CCP is about keeping power. They have kept control by adopting capitalism and allowing commerce to grow but then cracking down when they need to. My impression is that the CC doesn't want to be sanctioned because it will look like they haven't handled things correctly and we in the West don't understand the concept of "saving face" anywhere to the degree of the Chinese.

p.s I worked in China so I have some concept about their thinking beyond the average American.
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Old 05-28-2020, 09:55 AM
 
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The CCP is about keeping power. They have kept control by adopting capitalism and allowing commerce to grow but then cracking down when they need to. My impression is that the CC doesn't want to be sanctioned because it will look like they haven't handled things correctly and we in the West don't understand the concept of "saving face" anywhere to the degree of the Chinese.

p.s I worked in China so I have some concept about their thinking beyond the average American.
The OP’s assertion that Communist China Party leaders don’t care about their Economy is ludicrous.
All Nations care about their Economy. China is equally concerned with keeping the Chinese people securely under their jackboot and Free Hong Kong threatens that. The Communist Leadership is unpopular due the the Corona Virus deaths in China.

Why is China pushing through this law now?

1). China has installed a new set of officials responsible for Hong Kong who are determined to head off another bout of pro-democracy protests like those that rocked the city and embarrassed Beijing last year.

The marches have taken a pause while the city weathers the new coronavirus, but anger at the government runs high. Protests have been expected to resume this summer amid anniversaries of the Tiananmen Square massacre on June 4, last year’s first big protest on June 9 and the July 1 handover of Hong Kong from British to Chinese control.

2). It’s a distraction from Coronavirus

3). Hong Kong legislative elections this fall will give the pro-democracy camp a chance to win enough seats to block any attempt by Hong Kong’s government to get national-security legislation passed.

4). CCP listens to American Leftist Media, they think that President Trump won’t dare do anything because of the 2020 Election, and IF he does, it will help the Democrats, which they desperately need to regain power in the USA.

So ... MONEY, EGO & POWER

The U.S. determination that Hong Kong is no longer autonomous from mainland China has significant implications for the city’s exporters and businesses. But that could pale in comparison to further action by the U.S. to use its dominant position in the global banking system against Beijing.

The most immediate threat is the possible end of the city’s special status as separate from mainland China for import and export purposes under the Hong Kong Policy Act of 1992. Sensitive U.S. technologies could no longer be imported into Hong Kong, and the city’s exports might be hit with the same tariffs levied on Chinese trade. (Wall Street Journal, paywall)


We don’t know what President Trump will do yet .... but it is sure to cause pain.
NYT is saying that about 3,000 Chinese students in the USA universities with ties to the Chinese Military will have their visas cancelled and be deported.

I expect a slow rollout of Sanctions against the Banking sector. China uses Hong Kong Banks & US Dollars for all their international deals. Slow ... because a slow squeeze could wake them up and do the least harm to the CCP Ego - allowing them to save some face. China ships product from Hong Kong, avoiding Tariffs - I expect the US knows which products ... Tariffs will be imposed. The trick is to punish China and do the least harm tp Hong Kong.
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Old 05-28-2020, 10:10 AM
 
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China does not care about sanctions , tarrifs,....
This is patently false considering China's response to the tariffs that we placed on them.

Given that, you probably need to rethink your entire rant as you started off your opening sentence with a grossly incorrect premise.
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Old 05-28-2020, 10:51 AM
 
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China is attempting to "divide and conquer" the U.S.
but we are smarter,
no matter what happens in November , we need a nationalistic rising in the U.S., coming together, sharing a common belief, that the CCP is evil and needs to go

for all the innocent people that have died at the hands of the CCP over the last 50 years, for all the innocent lives lost , I say:

Death to Xijinping
Death to the CCP
you are posing as an american, but anyone who reads your posts can tell without a sliver of doubt that you are not, based on your broken english.
99% of your posts are about china, and you seem to have a "taiwanese friend" you post on behalf of all the time.
give up the charade gal.

also, please take some time to respond to my response to your post here: https://www.city-data.com/forum/58212619-post88.html
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Old 05-28-2020, 11:23 AM
 
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Until we start punching back in ways that hurt nothing will change much. My advice for those tired of the propaganda attacks is that we need to either return the favor in ways that disrupt their society, or we need to argue for military responses. until then none of this will change.
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