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It never ceases to surprise me how many - particularly how may Americans - will say that with a straight face.
Its - funny, in a way - because it resembles nothing so much as the conversations I had with people who'd grown up behind the Iron Curtain and who'd been taught that any system not Communism was bad. That was all they needed to know to graduate history - everything bad could be bundled into one category. According to what they'd been told, the US and the Nazis were only different by degrees. The difference being of course that they realized they'd been bamboozled and were eager to expand their knowledge.
Anyway, I just wasted Heaven knows how many electrons in pointing out 3 major differences. Feel free to address.
Capital-C Communism isn't nationalist. FFS, Marx and Engels (heard about those?) decried nationalism as a way for the bourgeoisie to create the necessary underpinnings for capitalism. (Nationalism took over from feudalism much later than most think, 18th century was when it really gained steam.) "The proletariat has no nation" summarizes Marx' thinking on that subject, inasmuch as you can summarize anything by him.
FFS, the communist battle hymn is called "The Internationale", there's a hint.
Masculinity as a communist value? Not in theory, nor - weirdly enough, as communists tend to be pretty bad at practicing what they preach - in practice. There was some iconography, particularly military, glorifying the big masculine soldier, but when it came to access to education and attractive jobs, communism was surprisingly egalitarian.
Lost-golden-age syndrome? Whaaaat? Communism was/is 100% about a golden future. There's never been a communist appeal to how awesome it was back when Rome called the shots (that was Italian fascism - heck, they took the name from the fasces carried by Roman lictors). Nor did communists dip into nostalgia of the Holy Roman Empire and Wilhelm's attempts to go global as the justification for a Third German Reich (we all know who that was.)
Listen, fascism and communism are both totalitarian and worth doing one's best to avoid, including taking to arms. But they are not - and it continues to amaze me that this even has to be stated - they are not the same.
When you look at china (largest communist country in the world) and their policies and initiatives, they are all very nationalistic. Made in China 2025.
Hongkong security bill - a crime to disrespect chinese national anthem.
Hyper-nationalism.
Militarism.
Glorification of violence and readiness to use it in politics.
Fetishization of masculinity.
Leader cult.
Lost-golden-age syndrome.
Hierarchical party structure and tendency to purge the disloyal.
Theatricality.
Does that describe anyone you know currently in politics ?
So, the way I see it, and by simple definition, you are either Anti-Fascist or you are for the current leadership... how you behave is up to you.
Antifa saw Obama as a Marxist, and loved him for it. They didn't want anyone in that position that did not lean the Marxist way as Obama had done. Trump is not a Marxist nor a Fascist so Antifa was against him, as they would have been for anyone that didn't lean Marxist. https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhen.../#5e8a191f7f0f
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Originally Posted by gemstone1
Just as nothing tells you, or offers proof that these demonstrations, some of which escalated to violence, are/have been orchestrated by some group called Antifa. Quite the contrary it has been shown that white supremacists posing as Antifa minded people have called for/perpetrated the violence.
Antifa has a rock hard solid history over the past four years of doing exactly like what is going on in the current riots ... the supremacists do not.
But hey, if you want to point the finger at the white supremacists then you will have to point that same finger at Biden. Biden is bailing them out of jail, so that would make him one of them ... you can't have it both ways!
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"Twitter has deleted a white supremacist account that was pretending to represent “Antifa”, the left-wing activist group that Donald Trump has blamed for disturbances during protests across the US.
“This account violated our platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts,” said a Twitter spokesperson. “We took action after the account sent a Tweet inciting violence and broke the Twitter Rules.”
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The fake @ANTIFA_US account, which called on its followers to “f***k the city”, was linked to a white supremacist group known as Identity Evropa, said Twitter." link
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Gemstone1
Oh, left leaning Twitter says so. LOL.
Did they call the FBI in? It doesn't sound like it. Twitter claims they simply deleted their account. A group that no one has ever heard of, too.
Antifa saw Obama as a Marxist, and loved him for it. They didn't want anyone in that position that did not lean the Marxist way as Obama had done. Trump is not a Marxist nor a Fascist so Antifa was against him, as they would have been for anyone that didn't lean Marxist. https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhen.../#5e8a191f7f0f
Antifa has a rock hard solid history over the past four years of doing exactly like what is going on in the current riots ... the supremacists do not.
But hey, if you want to point the finger at the white supremacists then you will have to point that same finger at Biden. Biden is bailing them out of jail, so that would make him one of them ... you can't have it both ways!
[i]Oh, left leaning Twitter says so. LOL.
Did they call the FBI in? It doesn't sound like it. Twitter claims they simply deleted their account. A group that no one has ever heard of, too.
"A group that no one has ever heard of, too"....let me help you get current....
For those who believe Communism and Fascism are the same....this spells out where they fall. Opposite one another...Communism, extreme left, Fascism, extreme right.
LOLOL. This thread is priceless. Take the most "extreme" thread started by a liberal member of this board and then compare the average threads started by right wing nutjobs and you quickly see what is wrong with america.
When people were posting about them over the past day or so many were saying "never heard of them", same with me.
Okay, so you and Twitter are blaming a defunct group that was disbanded last year? (per your own link) LOL. The name of that group seems up for grabs, since they no longer use it .. most likely it was antifa who latched on to it to make it appear as if their hate was coming from that particular group.
Meanwhile you willfully choose to ignore the FACT that the current crop of antifa has been rioting, burning, breaking windows, beating people, etc. constantly over the past 4 or more years. That antifa is doing it to average non-supremacists citizens, and not just the supremacists groups. That the supremacists groups are basically targeting antifa and not the average non-antifa involved citizens.
Will you be voting for Biden? If you believe the rioters are all supremacists then Biden is on their side.
I dislike both types of groups. Obviously you consider antifa as heroes.
Something tells me THAT Antifa has nothing to do with this Antifa.
Just like the Tea Party from Boston two hundred years ago has nothing to do with the right-wing Tea Party that sprung up during the Obama era.
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The US TEA party was an acronym:
Taxed Enough Already
They were dedicated to destroying the US government through tax cuts. They were funded by the Koch brothers. One of them died and the other lost interest, so no more TEA party.
Something tells me THAT Antifa has nothing to do with this Antifa.
Just like the Tea Party from Boston two hundred years ago has nothing to do with the right-wing Tea Party that sprung up during the Obama era.
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Fair point that there may be wide dissimilarities, but Antifa now is trying to mimic Antifa from back then. They idolize Antifa of Weimar German and post WW1 Spain. They want to emulate them, their tactics and they are almost identical ideologically speaking.
The big difference is that Antifa in the USA today is overwhelmingly composed of rich white kids. Very dangerous in large groups, but most are wimps unlikely to win a fight with a damp rag individually.
'antifa' is not that kind of thing. There is no structure , no discernible organization. I have as much a claim to the nickname because I, truly, oppose fascism. So did Dwight D Eisenhower.
But I have nothing to do with those characters on the streets and on your television screens, neither would Eisenhower, if he were around today.
Historical revisionism can not make today's USA protesters appear in the past, it doesn't work that way no matter how much anyone lies about it.
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