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Old 06-04-2020, 04:55 PM
Status: "Let this year be over..." (set 21 days ago)
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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Originally Posted by PilgrimsProgress View Post
I heard something today about a statue honoring a black war regiment was defaced by Antifa. Not sure where because I wasn't really paying attention.
Was it a part of Antifa or was it one of White Supremacists groups that have been seen, seems the Radical Right is also represents .....

 
Old 06-04-2020, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Was it a part of Antifa or was it one of White Supremacists groups that have been seen, seems the Radical Right is also represents .....
You really need to get a new fantasy shtick.
 
Old 06-04-2020, 05:00 PM
 
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So he sold his principles and turned his back on America to keep his slaves, which he mistreated. Nothing new about that.
In the interest of full disclosure, and because it's a highly favored pro-Confederacy talking point: Lee didn't in fact own slaves.

As executor of his father-in-law's will, he ran a property that included a lot of slaves, and he did so in a manner considered brutal even by contemporary standards - sending the men off to other worksites, which of course broke up families. He even lobbied for a law change to allow this practice across state lines. But if you're into splitting hairs very finely - and anyone defending Lee as some sort of champion of freedom will have to become adept at that - Lee never actually owned any slaves. Which probably wasn't a great comfort to those slaves whose master he was.
 
Old 06-04-2020, 05:01 PM
 
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bye FeLEEcia!
 
Old 06-04-2020, 05:02 PM
 
Location: NYC
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People still think the civil war was about slavery, or worst that white people are trying to make black people felt like the civil was was meant for them.
 
Old 06-04-2020, 05:03 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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Will Robert E Lee be deleted from all History Books, etc as well?
No, he’ll be remembered as the traitor to his nation that he was. The soft peddling of the “lost cause” angle of southern history may finally be coming to a close. Shelby Foote can shed his tears for the south in whatever afterlife he’s enjoying.
 
Old 06-04-2020, 05:04 PM
 
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Probably a lot of slaves who'd have shared that sentiment. But Lee went out and put his (considerable) talents to use for a nation founded for the exact purpose of keeping them chattel.

Bravery while fighting for an ignoble cause is not honorable.
Yeah well I bet he would have been a fun guy to have a beer with.
 
Old 06-04-2020, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Lee was overrated: https://getpocket.com/explore/item/t...=pocket-newtab
 
Old 06-04-2020, 05:05 PM
 
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wrong, it is not about "white supremacy" nor was honoring Lee about the white supremacy or slavery

these statues represent history, and where a person may have came from, was important in a battle that actually happened there, died there, etc


Robert E Lee for example was a the son of Revolutionary War officer Henry "Light Horse Harry" Lee III...


* Lee was a top graduate of the United States Military Academy(West Point).....

* An exceptional officer and military engineer in the United States Army for 32 years....

* He distinguished himself during the Mexican–American War....

* Served as Superintendent of the United States Military Academy.

Ft. Totten, in queens NY ( a active duty/reserve fort form 1857 to 1991, now only a reserve station) was designed by engineer Robert e lee , and the Officers Club on FT. Totten in Queens ,NY was designed by Robert E. Lee




When Virginia declared its secession from the Union in April 1861, Lee chose to follow his home state, despite his personal desire for the country to remain intact and an offer of a senior Union command


Lee had a great career and contributed to the USA, but people only remember him as a confederate general










and the civil war was not about slavery...but about taxes



Abraham Lincoln repeatedly stated his war was caused by taxes only, and not by slavery,.."My policy sought only to collect the Revenue (a 40*percent federal sales tax on imports to Southern States under the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861)." reads paragraph 5 of*Lincoln's First Message to the U.S. Congress, penned July 4, 1861.

Abraham Lincoln issued the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation on September 22nd, 1862. It stipulated that if the Southern states did not cease their rebellion and start paying their taxes by January 1st, 1863, then Proclamation would go into effect. When the Confederacy did not yield, Lincoln issued the final Emancipation Proclamation on January 1st, 1863.

The Emancipation Proclamation only applied to the states in rebellion,...it only freed 31. million of the over 4 million slaves.....

Lincoln did not claim slavery was a reason even in his Emancipation Proclamations on Sept. 22, 1862, and Jan. 1, 1863.* Moreover, Lincoln's proclamations*exempted a million slaves under his control from being freed (including General U.S. Grant's four slaves) and offered the South three months to return to the Union (pay 40*percent*sales tax) and keep their slaves.* None did.* Lincoln affirmed his only reason for issuing was:* "as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said (tax) rebellion."



in his first inaugural address, Lincoln declared that he had “no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with slavery in the States where it exists.”


Lincoln declared war to collect taxes in his two presidential war proclamations against the Confederate States, on April 15 and 19th, 1861: "Whereas an insurrection against the Government of the United States has broken out and the laws of the United States for the collection of the revenue cannot be effectually executed therein."
On Dec. 25, 1860, South Carolina declared unfair taxes to be a cause of secession: "The people of the Southern States are not only taxed for the benefit of the Northern States, but after the taxes are collected, three-fourths (75%) of them are expended at the North (to subsidize Wall Street industries that elected Lincoln)."


even into the reconstruction era, which Johnson failed at miserably , the issue was taxes....all the land procured after the war, (to be given to the blacks)(which Johnson gave back to the plantation owners) would not have been able to collect taxes on for years......

the ""northern""" state of Maryland didn't abolish slavery until 1864......hmmm imagine that
Nice history lesson and all but in the end they left the union and lost. Making him a dirty treasonous loser.
 
Old 06-04-2020, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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UGH I thought we were done with white washing history or should I say washing it down for the PC crowd.



You know bad things happened in the past and so did amazing things as well. Name a country in the world that has as much opportunity for all as America. People have lived and died for their beliefs to make this country better than it was yesterday and some people are forgetting this sacrifice.



I don't understand why those Confederate statues are seen as symbols of oppression when they should serve as reminders to us all and especially black people of how far as a society and equality for all we have come since then.



I envision a black man sitting beneath that Robert E Lee statue with his kids and telling them that the man on that horse fought to keep our people as slaves, he was defeated by good people that freed us and now the only thing that will hold you back is your brain.



I can be an optimist sometimes.
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