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Old 06-04-2020, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
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I thought it was Donald Trump, the duly-elected President of the United States – that’s why he is also known as the Commander-In-Chief.

Specifically, The Chain Of Command leads from the President through the Secretary of Defense, to Generals and Admirals, to soldiers, sailors and Marines, all the way down to the greenest recruit. Right?

So why is the current Secretary of Defense, Mark Esper, and several high-ranking Generals pushing back and even defying President Trump’s plan to invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807 to use military personnel to assist the police in getting control of our Nation’s cities and protecting US citizens and their businesses?

Isn’t this Insubordination? Were they elected by The People to make these decisions on our behalf or was Donald Trump?

And why defy this President’s plan to use this Act? President George H W Bush used it twice in his presidency. Once in 1992 for the Los Angeles riots- the exact same reason that President Trump wants to use it for.
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Old 06-04-2020, 08:30 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I thought it was Donald Trump, the duly-elected President of the United States – that’s why he is also known as the Commander-In-Chief.

Specifically, The Chain Of Command leads from the President through the Secretary of Defense, to Generals and Admirals, to soldiers, sailors and Marines, all the way down to the greenest recruit. Right?

So why is the current Secretary of Defense, Mark Esper, and several high-ranking Generals pushing back and even defying President Trump’s plan to invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807 to use military personnel to assist the police in getting control of our Nation’s cities and protecting US citizens and their businesses?

Isn’t this Insubordination? Were they elected by The People to make these decisions on our behalf or was Donald Trump?

And why defy this President’s plan to use this Act? President George H W Bush used it twice in his presidency. Once in 1992 for the Los Angeles riots- the exact same reason that President Trump wants to use it for.


They were appointed by Donald Trump as "The Best" people to advise him in areas he knows little about. That he doesn't trust them indicates he knows they were appointed by a fool.
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Old 06-04-2020, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Jim Mattis:

I slept on your statement and woke up appalled and upset. You lost me. Never dreamed you would let a bunch of hack politicians use your good name and reputation - earned with the blood and guts of young Marines.

You did what you said you would - engage in this discourse.

Marines keep their word.

The phony protesters near Lafayette park were not peaceful and are not real. They are terrorists using idle hate filled students lo bum and destroy. They were abusing and disrespecting the police when the police were preparing the area for the

1900 curfew. Jim, this is the new nihilism. See Dan Henninger in WSJ today

Marines support the police in harm's way.

Did you forget that President Bush used active duty Marines to quell the riots in LA? President Trump has countless cities and some snowflake governors and mayors welting themselves in the use of force to protect innocent lives and property.

The AG of Massachusetts thinks burning property is good protest. Three more policemen were stabbed and shot in NYC last night

Think about it. Should he be upset about the obvious failure of leadership? Where are you Jim?

Marines go to the fight.

No one divided this country more than Obama. He abandoned our black brothers and sisters. He gave guns to the cartels. He apologized for our precious sacrifice and generosity overseas.

You remember, he fired you.

President Trump has done more to help our minority brothers and sisters in three years than anyone in the last fifty. Ask the black pastors. Ask the leaders of the black colleges and universities. He got them funded.

Ask them about the prison reform which ended the draconian sentences imposed on young black men by the laws enacted by Biden and his hacks

You need to bone up on your homework and stop listening to Uncle Leon.

understand, you had to stick to the assigned narrative which did not include three years of corrupt investigations and evidence to destroy this President, his office,and his lawful free election. Nancy has no tolerance for dissent in the ranks-

including those with stars.

You said nothing of the ugly, hate filled, disgraceful comments of Pelosi, Schumer, Perez and other Democrat hacks defaming the President and his office. You said nothing of the unlawful sanctuary cities and the unlawful release of hoodlums.

You said nothing of the resistance movement to paralyze our courts and our government operations. You said nothing of the obstruction and subversion of our immigration laws. You said nothing of MS-13 killers and the drug cartels who own

huge sections of our major cities. Jim, do you think that hateful rhetoric and those corrupt actions were inspiring and unifying’? Do you think the DI's at Parris Island would find such behavior as unifying?

Maybe, your problem, is a lot deeper. Perhaps you ought to explain how and why you (and John Allen), as CG Central Command, did not engage and take out Iranian Major General Soleimani who roamed the Middle East and wreaked havoc

and death of our American boys with his infamous IEDs?

Why did it take President Trump to have the instincts and balls to take him out ( of course over the objection the geniuses in the Pentagon)?

Looks like the Persian mullahs were a one horse sleigh and Trump nailed the horse….forever. Il has been quiet ever since. Perhaps, your anger is borne of embarrassment for your own failure as the leader of Central Command. Did you

applaud when the President recognized the central problem in the middle east? Did you applaud the President when he wanted to save American lives by bringing them home in one piece?

John M Dowd
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Old 06-05-2020, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
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I never thought Mattis and Trump were a good match. And General Mattis needs to re-read the Oath HE took:.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
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Old 06-05-2020, 09:13 AM
 
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Because Donald Trump is the domestic threat to the Constitution?
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Old 06-05-2020, 09:13 AM
 
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I thought it was Donald Trump, the duly-elected President of the United States – that’s why he is also known as the Commander-In-Chief.

Specifically, The Chain Of Command leads from the President through the Secretary of Defense, to Generals and Admirals, to soldiers, sailors and Marines, all the way down to the greenest recruit. Right?

So why is the current Secretary of Defense, Mark Esper, and several high-ranking Generals pushing back and even defying President Trump’s plan to invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807 to use military personnel to assist the police in getting control of our Nation’s cities and protecting US citizens and their businesses?

Isn’t this Insubordination? Were they elected by The People to make these decisions on our behalf or was Donald Trump?

And why defy this President’s plan to use this Act? President George H W Bush used it twice in his presidency. Once in 1992 for the Los Angeles riots- the exact same reason that President Trump wants to use it for.
If Presidents were still held to the original Commander and Chief meaning, we would not have had the last 5 of 6 Presidents we had.

None of them had revelant military experience Including the current President, look at their backgrounds.
Peanut farmer
ActoR
Politician with Actual military command experience
Lawyer
Bush W? Old money, daddy name
Community Organizer
Business man who only ran a Personal Business

What part of Commander-N-Chief are would any of these guys be experienced enough to lead into battle outside of Bush Sr.?
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Old 06-05-2020, 09:15 AM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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Esper should have been fired before he finished his insubordinate press conference, and replaced by someone that understands the chain of command.

The rule of LAW needs to be re established NOW. Or we lose our country.

Mattis can spout off all he wants, he's a private citizen, and has the right to express his opinion. Esper....... needs to go.


CN
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Old 06-05-2020, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Because Donald Trump is the domestic threat to the Constitution?
How? What has he done that is Unconstitutional?
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Old 06-05-2020, 09:57 AM
 
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How? What has he done that is Unconstitutional?
Let's see here:
Trump has enacted gun control(bump stock ban) and said wants to be able to seize guns without due process.
Wants to weaken the 1st amendment so he can sue anyone who says anything bad about him.
Attacks social media(executive order is unconstitutional) and calls the free press the enemy of the people.
Wants to override governors on covid lockdowns and now on national guard call ups...no respect for states rights.
Is bypassing Congress on spending.
Wants to torture terrorists and their family members, doesn't think water boarding is tough enough.
Wants to end birthright citizenship.
Emoluments Clause violations
Campaign finance violations
Open solicitations of foreign interference
All the things he has been beat down on in the courts
etc
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Old 06-05-2020, 10:04 AM
 
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They were appointed by Donald Trump as "The Best" people to advise him in areas he knows little about. That he doesn't trust them indicates he knows they were appointed by a fool.
They are mostly holdovers from the Obama admin. !!! Obama purged the general officer ranks of those who disagreed with his ideology !!!
Trump should do the same and restore balance !!! That is a short coming Trump can be blamed for !!!
Naturally if he did, the anti-Trumpers would soil themselves in outrage but that is no reason for Trump not to do it !!! Leftist diaper changers is a growth industry !!! Trump is a jobs President so he could justify it !!!
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