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I see clear progress in reducing robberies and burglaries. It appears that murders are trending downward, though the line is inconsistent. The other categories appear to be fairly stable. So I would say that it's not an across-the-board improvement, but in general things are heading in the right direction.
Less cops? Cut their pay so they only make minimum wage? Good luck with that. If anything, shouldn’t we increase the funding for the police so they can get better training to prevent things like George Floyd happening again? Maybe the cities that want to defund them should, then they can see how bad things would be in their cities. Somebody robbing your house? Too bad. A creep raping you? Tough luck. School shooting? You’re on your own.
What exactly is this movement trying to accomplish?
Quick answer...the police are thought to be poorly trained, so you cut their budget so they are even less so. I hope they do it, please do it!...
Minnesota has become the laughingstock of the nation.
The point is, Camden restructured. They got rid of an ineffective, union dominated, out of control policing entity, and replaced it with one that also emphasized intervention by trained professionals to deal with mental health, addiction and homeless issues.
Don't forget, this is not some rural hick town. P̶i̶t̶t̶s̶b̶u̶r̶g̶h̶ Philadelphia is right across the river from them. It is not a bad thing to think outside of the box. There are many professional policing forces that can be looked at, both in the USA, and outside. Think Scotland Yard, RCMP or the German policing model. All of them have less problems than the USA.
Restructuring police force means restructuring the whole chain of command and leadership. I joined LASD in 2006 or 2007, 6 or 7 years before Compton disbanded their city police amidst corruption, and absorbed into LASD. A lot of LASD deputies are former Compton PD cops. Obviously "business" cannot go on as usual when you are now under LASD leadership instead of Compton PD.
for 5 years since the disbanding crime rates went up, making it even worse than before,,, only the last 3 years have rates dropped ever so slightly..they are still higher than they were in 2012 (their peak was 2011)..it is "expected" that 2020 will finally be lower than 2012....which is not really saying much
With a crime rate of 47 per one thousand residents (2019), Camden has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes
Yeah but there are so many great real estate opportunities:
Less cops? Cut their pay so they only make minimum wage? Good luck with that. If anything, shouldn’t we increase the funding for the police so they can get better training to prevent things like George Floyd happening again? Maybe the cities that want to defund them should, then they can see how bad things would be in their cities. Somebody robbing your house? Too bad. A creep raping you? Tough luck. School shooting? You’re on your own.
What exactly is this movement trying to accomplish?
I saw a good definition about defunding from John Oliver.
“Defunding the police absolutely does not mean that we eliminate all cops and just succumb to ‘The Purge.’ Instead, it’s about moving away from a narrow conception of public safety that relies on policing and punishment, and investing in a community’s actual safety net. Things like stable housing, mental health services and community organizations.”
To do away with police forces ad hoc would be dangerous and irresponsible. I don't think anyone is advocating that.
Restructuring police force means restructuring the whole chain of command and leadership. I joined LASD in 2006 or 2007, 6 or 7 years before Compton disbanded their city police amidst corruption, and absorbed into LASD. A lot of LASD deputies are former Compton PD cops. Obviously "business" cannot go on as usual when you are now under LASD leadership instead of Compton PD.
I can see that. I've seen the same change when leadership changed in a large city I used to live in. I've seen it get worse, and then, finally, get better with change in leadership and training.
So, there is no silver bullet, no question. But no police force should be beyond question, nor should the whole policing mindset in much of North America, be beyond question. Do we really need fully fledged police for traffic control? What about normal crowd control at large functions?
We need police to be there for emergency situations, and to have the expertise to investigate a plethora of crimes. But there are many, many interactions with public that it may well be better that a community worker, a social worker or an addiction counselor, as opposed to a police member. We also need to get away from the militarization of police. As a friend of mine, now retired, says of the urban police force he was a long-term member of, today's police are lazy. They don't know the people in the neighborhoods, and they would rather call out the SWAT team than do an arrest themselves. They would rather work OT and structure their work to ensure that, backed up by their union, and work the extra off-duty shifts than do proper police work. He laments the propensity to use tasers and to draw weapons.
We need to reinvent how we deal with societies problems. Not all require a strong show of force.
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