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View Poll Results: Which cause was more evil the Confederate States of America or Nazi Germany
Confederate States of America 14 5.88%
Nazi Germany 202 84.87%
equal 22 9.24%
Voters: 238. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-13-2020, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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At the end of WW2 85 million were killed highest loss of human life in history of all wars Russia alone lost over 26.6 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...uman%20losses.
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Old 06-13-2020, 07:00 AM
 
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Both are bad but the Civil War occurred at a time that people were trying to keep things the way they were and the practices were still wide spread in the world and not unique to this country, it wasn't right but we see it through 21st century eyes. ...
It isn't just 21st century sensibilities, lots of people in the 1850's knew slavery was wrong.

Confederates were worried that as new states joined the union, slave states would be outnumbered and slavery would be voted out.

Hence, the Civil War.
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Old 06-13-2020, 07:05 AM
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It isn't just 21st century sensibilities, lots of people in the 1850's knew slavery was wrong.

Confederates were worried that as new states joined the union, slave states would be outnumbered and slavery would be voted out.

Hence, the Civil War.
At least many in the U.S. "knew it was wrong." In Libya and Saudi Arabia not so much.
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Old 06-13-2020, 09:15 AM
 
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I find it difficult to compare the two from the perspective of the victims. Many holocaust victims lived long, and in many cases, comfortable and fulfilling lives before meeting a brutal end. Some slaves died peacefully in their beds yet suffered decades of toil, torture, and psychological terror. Chattel slavery was an institution for hundreds of years. The holocaust was brief by comparison but filled with unique horrors. You can argue that either one is worse but I don't see the point.
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Old 06-13-2020, 09:39 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Default Confederacy worse than Nazi Germany

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I was attacked on this forum for saying that slavery is not as bad as genocide
In the context of saying Nazi Germany was much worse that the Confederate States of America.


Esther - Chapter 7-4
For we have been sold, I and my people, to be destroyed, to be slain, and to perish; now had we been sold for slaves and bondswomen, I would have kept silent, for the adversary has no consideration for the king's loss."


So which cause was more evil the Confederate States of America or Nazi Germany?
Nazi Germany was far worse then the Confederacy, its not even close.

Mass murder
Nazi Germany - worse

Slavery

Nazi Germany - worse

I think people forget, possibly because it is so overshadowed by Nazi Germany's mass scale murders, that Nazi Germany was becoming a slave state even during the war. A slave state that brutalized and even murdered its slaves. And the Nazis postwar plans for Eastern Europe, moving Germans settlers into Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, and providing them all with Slavic slaves would have dwarfed the Confederacy.

Politics
Nazi Germany - worse

Say what you will, the Confederacy had a constitution, elected leaders and political rights for white males anyway. Even this limited suffrage was above what most nations had at the time. And it is far above Nazi Germany which only the top Nazis and ultimately Hitler had any real say.

An example of this is the active political opposition from the states like Georgia and North Carolina to Richmond as well as Southern opposition against the draft. Imagine in contrast what would happen to Germans who opposed the draft in Nazi Germany.
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Old 06-13-2020, 11:15 AM
 
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The BIGGEST slave owner in the South was a BLACK man. Do we ever ear anything about THAT?


BLACKS sold their "brothers" and "Sisters" into slavery but it is the white mans fault.
Which KKK talking point is this from? Or was it from the Daughters of the Confederacy approved text books?
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Old 06-13-2020, 11:18 AM
 
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"Pretty sure a slave wouldn't agree with the bolded statement."

MOST of the original slave were indentured servants.
Really? Tell us exactly how a person from Africa became indebted to a white plantation owner in the South?


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MANY slaves were treated very well.

When buying most would NOT spit up families, etc. Not saying slavery is good but in many case NOT as bad as some espouse.
Daughters of the Confederacy teachings?
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Old 06-13-2020, 11:23 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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The BIGGEST slave owner in the South was a BLACK man. Do we ever ear anything about THAT?


BLACKS sold their "brothers" and "Sisters" into slavery but it is the white mans fault.
You know the drill. Post a legitimate link or it's BS.
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Old 06-13-2020, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I was attacked on this forum for saying that slavery is not as bad as genocide
In the context of saying Nazi Germany was much worse that the Confederate States of America.


Esther - Chapter 7-4
For we have been sold, I and my people, to be destroyed, to be slain, and to perish; now had we been sold for slaves and bondswomen, I would have kept silent, for the adversary has no consideration for the king's loss."

So which cause was more evil the Confederate States of America or Nazi Germany?
Actually, it was your god, since the Yahweh-thing didn't see fit to abolish slavery despite having more than 100,000 years to do so and the Jesus-Yahweh-Holy Flatulence-thing wants you to be a good slave.
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Old 06-13-2020, 11:45 AM
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Location: New York Area
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The BIGGEST slave owner in the South was a BLACK man. Do we ever ear anything about THAT?


BLACKS sold their "brothers" and "Sisters" into slavery but it is the white mans fault.
I find it difficult to compare the two from the perspective of the victims. Many holocaust victims lived long, and in many cases, comfortable and fulfilling lives before meeting a brutal end. Some slaves died peacefully in their beds yet suffered decades of toil, torture, and psychological terror. Chattel slavery was an institution for hundreds of years. The holocaust was brief by comparison but filled with unique horrors. You can argue that either one is worse but I don't see the point.
Does anyone in their right mind think that the slavers ran onto some rain forest beach and caught blacks by traps or otherwise. Of course they acquired them from another human.
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