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I was attacked on this forum for saying that slavery is not as bad as genocide
In the context of saying Nazi Germany was much worse that the Confederate States of America.
Esther - Chapter 7-4
For we have been sold, I and my people, to be destroyed, to be slain, and to perish; now had we been sold for slaves and bondswomen, I would have kept silent, for the adversary has no consideration for the king's loss."
So which cause was more evil the Confederate States of America or Nazi Germany?
If you go out on YouTube look around number of BBC, 60 Minutes and other documentary's on the subject which talk about incidents I could not even link the videos too graphic.
One incident in 1919 was a mob of white people who lynched a black man in Omaha Nebraska over a dispute with a white girl. This hanging was witnessed by the late Henry Fonda when he was 14 years old.
Interview quote from the 1975 Norman Parkinson of Henry Fonda who never spoke about this before.
"After supper, [my dad] put me in the car with him and we drove back downtown [to the printing office]. And it was very unusual for me — for my dad to be taking me at my age and turning lights on and unlocking doors and going up the stairs. It’s not like doing it in the daytime. I remember those physical things, and walking across this empty office to a window that overlooked the courthouse square. This was where the riot was happening. My father never talked about it. He never preached about it. We both just were observers. […] It was the most horrendous sight I’d ever seen. […] My hands were wet and there were tears in my eyes. All I could think of was that young black man dangling at the end of a rope"
You can find that 1975 interview of Henry Fonda on YouTube about 15 minute into the video he talks about it. What I found shocking about this one was Nebraska not really the deep south where I always thought Lynchings happend mostly.
While the majority of lynchings took places in the Deep South, they happened in northern states too. Duluth,MN is where 4 Black men were lynched. It happened in New York, Indiana, Illinois,etc.
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Based on this thread and the poll results, I’d say that although the vast majority realize that Nazi Germany was of course worse, posters are more interested in discussing slavery.
What makes that odd is that there are people still alive today who were victims of Nazi concentration camps, and certainly many just one generation removed, with one or both parents who suffered the worst nightmare - and the tattoo on the forearm that reminded them of it. Yet nobody alive today was a slave, or even one generation removed.
So if Nazi Germany was so much worse, as everyone but just a handful agree, why is there such a lack of interest in it? It’s not even being taught as part of European history in many schools.
So if Nazi Germany was so much worse, as everyone but just a handful agree, why is there such a lack of interest in it? It’s not even being taught as part of European history in many schools.
Same reason Japan doesn’t cover their shameful history of invading, raping, pillaging, and killing all of East Asia during WW2.
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War crimes were committed by the Empire of Japan in many Asian-Pacific countries during the period of Japanese imperialism, primarily during the Second Sino-Japanese War and World War II. These incidents have been described as an "Asian Holocaust"
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Some historical estimates of the number of deaths which resulted from Japanese war crimes range from 3 to 14 million through massacre, human experimentation, starvation, and forced labor that was either directly perpetrated or condoned by the Japanese military and government.
Based on the numbers, Japanese war crimes were worse than slavery too.
American slavery (300K) does not and will not ever have the numbers to compete with Nazi Germany (1.7 million Jews killed), Japanese Empire (3+ million Asians killed), and African slaves to Brazil (4.9 million).
Comparing massacres and genocide to slavery is a joke. You literally need slaves alive. The black American population of 14% would be like 3% if America pulled a Nazi Germany or Japanese Empire, you know, where you just massacre everyone who isn’t you.
Based on the numbers, Japanese war crimes were worse than slavery too.
American slavery (300K) does not and will not ever have the numbers to compete with Nazi Germany (1.7 million Jews killed), Japanese Empire (3+ million Asians killed), and African slaves to Brazil (4.9 million).
Comparing massacres and genocide to slavery is a joke. You literally need slaves alive. The black American population of 14% would be like 3% if America pulled a Nazi Germany or Japanese Empire, you know, where you just massacre everyone who isn’t you.
Just to correct you.....there were about 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust, although some estimates have it as low as 5.5 million. In addition, close to 2 million non-Jewish Poles were killed. (Poland was the worst.)
Then why aren’t blacks, rich blacks, making a mass exodus out of America like many Jews did with Germany? Why don’t Michael Jordan, Oprah, and Obama live somewhere else?
Oh wait, because we’re in the richest country on the planet with countless opportunities regardless if you rather complain.
''The people made worse off by slavery were those who were enslaved. Their descendants would have been worse off today if born in Africa instead of America. Put differently, the terrible fate of their ancestors benefitted them.''
''The people made worse off by slavery were those who were enslaved. Their descendants would have been worse off today if born in Africa instead of America. Put differently, the terrible fate of their ancestors benefitted them.''
Thomas Sowell
So IOW, it’s blacks who owe reparations to the slaves, for it was they whose horrible lives paved the way for the better lives current blacks now enjoy (compared to if they were born in Africa).. Now if only we could find some slaves still living.
(1) So IOW, (2) it’s blacks who owe reparations to the slaves,(3) for it was they whose horrible lives paved the way for the better lives current blacks now enjoy (compared to if they were born in Africa).. ( 4) Now if only we could find some slaves still living.
''The people made worse off by slavery were those who were enslaved. Their descendants would have been worse off today if born in Africa instead of America. Put differently, the terrible fate of their ancestors benefitted them.''
(1) I cannot speak for Thomas Sowell, he is much smarter and more articulate than me.
(2) No, that's just silly.
(3) Yes. You nailed it.
(4) Good luck on that one. Maybe you could find them with their slave holders?
''It is hard to read a newspaper or watch a television newscast without encountering someone who has come up with a new 'solution' to society's 'problems.' ''
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I voted for the "confederacy" but calling what happened "the confederacy" is inaccurate. America as a whole did this to black people. The north too. New York had the most slaves. It was an american thing. And after the civil war, alot of stuff from slavery was just renamed.
Also, it's worth noting that the Nazis were inspired by what america did to black people, so that should tell you who was worse.
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