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Old 06-04-2020, 01:30 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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George Floyd landed 5 years behind bars in 2009 for assault and battery. He plead guilty to entering a woman's home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money. He was sentenced to 8 months in jail in 2002 and 10 months in jail in 2005 for possessing cocaine. He was jailed for theft in 1998.

Why do you think the media doesn't mention this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...son-Texas.html
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The media also fails to mention that RESISTING ARREST IS A FELONY ASSAULT AND BATTERY on the officer.
As to the charge of murder / manslaughter, it has to be unlawful. If the officer is attempting to arrest, and the suspect resists, that is a felony, and the officer can escalate accordingly.
● MURDER : (Law) the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
● MANSLAUGHTER : (Law) The unlawful killing of one human by another without express or implied intent to do injury.
● HOMICIDE : (Law) the killing of a human being by another person.
● RESISTING ARREST : (Law) physical efforts to oppose a lawful arrest; the resistance is classified as assault and battery upon the person of the police officer attempting to make the arrest.
● SELF DEFENSE : (Law) The right to protect oneself against violence or threatened violence with whatever force or means are reasonably necessary.
● AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE : An affirmative defense to a civil lawsuit or criminal charge is a fact or set of facts other than those alleged by the plaintiff or prosecutor which, if proven by the defendant, defeats or mitigates the legal consequences of the defendant's otherwise unlawful conduct. In criminal prosecutions, examples of affirmative defenses are self defense, insanity, and the statute of limitations.
. . .
FUGITIVE - Running away or fleeing, as from the law.
Fugitives are an EXCEPTED CLASS, and have few protections in the law.
. . .
It's not the initial crime that is the problem, it's the subsequent behavior.
Once he is resisting arrest, he is engaged in a FELONY. He is engaged in assault and battery of the police officer(s). Their response can escalate accordingly, which is an affirmative defense against any charge of murder, manslaughter or homicide. . . .
The moral : when arrested DO NOT RESIST.
Do not argue. Do not flail arms. Do not attempt to escape.
Fight in court, not in the street.


UNFORTUNATELY, inflamed mobs have embraced a felon as a hero, and have gone on rampage, telling the world that EVIL is their king and sovereign. Sad.
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:36 AM
 
Location: London
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George Floyd landed 5 years behind bars in 2009 for assault and battery. He plead guilty to entering a woman's home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money. He was sentenced to 8 months in jail in 2002 and 10 months in jail in 2005 for possessing cocaine. He was jailed for theft in 1998.

Why do you think the media doesn't mention this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...son-Texas.html
Because it's not relevant. It's not okay to knee someone in the throat to death just because they have a record.
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:37 AM
 
Location: Various
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Why do you think the media doesn't mention this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...son-Texas.html
Because it really isn't relevant to the bad cop choosing to kneel on his neck for nearly 10 minutes when he was already subdued and secured by hand cuffs.

Now two things can be true at once: he was a drug addict criminal who committed plenty of crimes and was likely committing another that day whilst high on drugs, and, the cop murdered him.
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Because it's not relevant. It's not okay to knee someone in the throat to death just because they have a record.
IF THE GUY IS RESISTING ARREST - IT IS OKAY.
He's committing assault and battery (a felony) on the officer. What else is he supposed to do?
Wheedle, "pretty please with sugar on top?"
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:40 AM
 
Location: Various
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IF THE GUY IS RESISTING ARREST - IT IS OKAY.
He's committing assault and battery (a felony) on the officer. What else is he supposed to do?
Wheedle, "pretty please with sugar on top?"
He was already secured.

The thing that I'm curious about is why were they holding him on the ground for so long? What was their goal? What were they waiting for? Another vehicle to take him away or something?
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:40 AM
 
Location: London
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IF THE GUY IS RESISTING ARREST - IT IS OKAY.
He's committing assault and battery (a felony) on the officer. What else is he supposed to do?
Wheedle, "pretty please with sugar on top?"
Did you miss the fact that he was already subdued and in handcuffs? How the hell is he feasibly resisting arrest at that point?
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Old 06-04-2020, 01:57 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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George Floyd landed 5 years behind bars in 2009 for assault and battery. He plead guilty to entering a woman's home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money. He was sentenced to 8 months in jail in 2002 and 10 months in jail in 2005 for possessing cocaine. He was jailed for theft in 1998.

Why do you think the media doesn't mention this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...son-Texas.html
Because the Liberal media has an agenda to promote and they don't let the facts get in their way. It's much more inflammatory to report that the "sweet, kind Gentle Giant" was murdered and that's what they're going for.

That being said, it does not in any way excuse the behavior of the officer.
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:00 AM
 
Location: In the middle between the sun and moon
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George Floyd landed 5 years behind bars in 2009 for assault and battery. He plead guilty to entering a woman's home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money. He was sentenced to 8 months in jail in 2002 and 10 months in jail in 2005 for possessing cocaine. He was jailed for theft in 1998.

Why do you think the media doesn't mention this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...son-Texas.html
My guess that the media doesn't mention it because of lack of relevancy.

But to you it appears relevant, I get that. So maybe you can elaborate?

In what way is George Floyd's past criminal history relevant to what happened that was captured on video by onlookers?

Does his past record mean George Floyd in some level forfeits his civil right to live through an arrest? Did the police do anything wrong?

Do the lives of people with criminal records matter less than those without, in terms of immediate context of law enforcement as it is happening?

Do you feel any different if you imagine the video is a white woman with a criminal record calling out for air and help, than a black man? What I'm asking is, do some bodies deserve more respect of life in the context of law enforcement than others?

Would it be worse if the police had slowly suffocated someone during an arrest who did not have a criminal record? Were the police somewhat justified in their actions?

I"m asking these questions because in listening to you, I can see you feel the story of George's Floyd's manner of death, which is what is in the media, is not a full story in and of itself, but tied to his past criminal record. Necessary data that is being omitted from the narrative. You feel like the whole story is not being told. Which amounts to disinformation by omission.

I invite you to explain your perspective on this. If you can make a case for relevancy that is valid, perhaps the media will take note and be interested in it. At any rate, I'm interested in it. Your post hints at some core beliefs that i think it would be great to explore.
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:18 AM
 
Location: Japan
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Because it's not relevant.
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It's not okay to knee someone in the throat to death just because they have a record.
No, his criminal record doesn't justify the mistreatment that led to his death. But yes, of course, his physical size and long criminal history are relevant to the circumstances of his death and how he should be remembered.
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