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I will mention this. Many people know why the Confederate flag and Confederate monuments represent racism to African-Americans. They know better. Many people just don't care. The individuals who erected those Confederate monuments never cared how Blacks felt. In fact, most of them looked down on Blacks, and likely erected those monuments partly for that reason. Today, many people who fly the Confederate flag don't care that alot of African-Americans see it as a symbol of racism. One reason I don't care how upset the pro-Confederates get.
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Erecting monuments and historical markers to the confederacy and/or its military persons was also done to be a perpetual reminder to blacks that white people are in charge, always will be in charge, and for them to stay in their place. In the early 20th century the Daughters of the Confederacy went all over this country to erect roadside markers, even in states like Montana that never sent a single man to fight for the CSA.
Curious how you two came to this knowledge of what the motivations were for erecting monuments to people like Lee, Jackson, et al. Is there some reference I can read where statue erectors explained why? I mean, for example, the Jackson and Lee Monument in Baltimore was erected in 1948 and dedicated by Mayor Thomas D'Alesandro, Nancy Pelosi's father. In fact, Nancy was probably there. Are they connected with the Daughters of the Confederacy?
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Here are a couple of suggestions the Army should consider. Then there's Fort William Tecumseh Sherman.
The modern Left would be demanding Sherman be tried as a war criminal for his "March to the Sea" today.
There are a lot of legitimate 20th century Army men, officers and enlisted, that are worthy of a fort named for them.
A few:
Sergeant Alvin York
Lt. Audie Murphy
Gen. George Patton
Gen.Omar Bradley
Gen John Pershing
Lt. Gen. Matthew Ridgeway
I think there are a lot of misunderstandings about the civil war. It's history and deserves to be remembered. Culture and morality change over time as does the context and the way we remember and judge history.
War is a nasty business. As has been, always will be. There has never been a war where horrible things did not happen.
None of this justifies inconsiderate erasure of history. Neither should evil, in the current moral context, be glorified.
You would be extremely hard pressed to erase all references to the Confederacy. It does not start or end with military bases. There are thousands if not tens of thousands of schools, streets, towns, counties and more named after Confederate military leaders, governers, politicians, businessmen and others. Understanding that these are relics of a past time and culture that no longer exist is paramount. Would you destroy the pyramids because pharaohs held slaves?
The is an old saying about throwing the baby out with the bath water. You can get rid of the dirty water while keeping that what needs to be kept.
Army bases have been the subject of debate over naming. What about Air Force, Navy, and Marine?
...The Army operates 10 installations named after Confederate military commanders, including Fort Lee in Virginia, Fort Hood in Texas, and Fort Bragg in North Carolina. There are no such installations for the other military departments, according to the Congressional Research Service, though some Navy ships have been named after Confederate officers or battles...
10 Army bases named after confederate soldiers, and Trump doesn't care?
These are tense times. Statues coming down, changing names of buildings etc. that offend, and a big push for change post Floyd. Why then would Trump flatly reject any such discussions of changing those bases names, writing on Twitter on Wednesday that “my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations.” Not that the secretary of the Army has balls as he only said they would be "open for discussion" on the matter, and that's when Trump tweeted his response.
What kind of message of support for BLM is that if Trump won't even consider changes in our countries Army bases, an Army that fights for all freedom? As a military parent that's disappointing.
And worse, why had it taken this long to even publicly acknowledge this?
Why do they have to rename the Army bases? Leave them as they are.
Are the current names offensive in some way to some overly sensitive perpetually unhappy individuals who can not and never will get their way all the time?
These are tense times. Statues coming down, changing names of buildings etc. that offend, and a big push for change post Floyd. Why then would Trump flatly reject any such discussions of changing those bases names, writing on Twitter on Wednesday that “my Administration will not even consider the renaming of these Magnificent and Fabled Military Installations.” Not that the secretary of the Army has balls as he only said they would be "open for discussion" on the matter, and that's when Trump tweeted his response.
What kind of message of support for BLM is that if Trump won't even consider changes in our countries Army bases, an Army that fights for all freedom? As a military parent that's disappointing.
And worse, why had it taken this long to even publicly acknowledge this?
Changing names won't make any difference.
The SJW crowd needs a white racist boggieman.
Today it's statues and army base names; tomorrow it will be something else.
Changing names and taking down statues doesn't change anything? I think by making such changes it at least acknowledges past indiscretions.
Which base did you serve at?
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10 Army bases named after confederate soldiers, and Trump doesn't care?
