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Old 06-10-2020, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Very true OP. Trump is closer to authoritarian socialism than conservatism, which is why I call him and his apologists pseudo-conservative

Pseudo = not genuine; spurious or sham.

It is borderline absurd that true conservatives would support his policies, even $6 trillion dollar bailouts and war on free markets after expressing so much outrage over much smaller spending initiatives in the past.
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Old 06-10-2020, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by branh0913 View Post
Let's be clear. There are conservatives who like Trump. But no true conservative can support Trump because Trump is not conservative. Having rhetoric about immigration isn't enough to be a conservative. He's literally a 1 issue conservative and that's it.


Trumpism

- authoritarianism. Rule by executive order
- unabashed support for big government
- bloated infrastructure plans and projects
- unchecked public spending on said infrastructure
- strong populism
- economic protectionism. Anti free market and anti free trade
- economic centralization. Stimulus packages. Inefficient keynesian economics.
- heralding over leveraged economy as "successful".
- refusal to criticize the FED.
- Marxism for white people

Conservative or Libertarian

- free market and free trade
- consistently critical of big government
- against populism. Guided by principal
- pro individualism and anti communist or marxists
- against any sort of public funding
- infstrucgure should be based on demand from private enterprise.
- understand that government create perverse incentives economically. And current economic growth is a bubble and a farce.
- no more economic centralization. Market economy or bust.
- constantly asking for the abolishment of FED
- understands quantitative easing doesnt work, and is the gateway to socialism.


See the difference?
People are too busy wanting government to run their lives. What can you do for me vs stay out of my way unless someones rights are being violated.
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Old 06-10-2020, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So IF conservatives are as you say "consistently critical of big government", WHY are they consistently in favor of increasing an already bloated military budget? Is not the military they seek to expand part of that government?
Show proof conservatives do? lol Nevermind proof is treason to you.
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Old 06-10-2020, 02:18 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I guess this is where Trump spending half his time on the golf course comes in handy.

Between golfing every weekend and watching TV all morning every weekday morning. Not a lot of time for those EO's.



Not to mention gotta keep Tweeting.
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Old 06-10-2020, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Florida
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This is not true: - authoritarianism. Rule by executive order

Trump has far less EO's than Clinton or Obama or Bush at this juncture of his presidency.
Obama has 78 after the first 3 years, and Trump has 161. Obama was heavily criticized for writing EOs
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Old 06-10-2020, 02:19 PM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by branh0913 View Post
Let's be clear. There are conservatives who like Trump. But no true conservative can support Trump because Trump is not conservative. Having rhetoric about immigration isn't enough to be a conservative. He's literally a 1 issue conservative and that's it.


Trumpism

- authoritarianism. Rule by executive order
- unabashed support for big government
- bloated infrastructure plans and projects
- unchecked public spending on said infrastructure
- strong populism
- economic protectionism. Anti free market and anti free trade
- economic centralization. Stimulus packages. Inefficient keynesian economics.
- heralding over leveraged economy as "successful".
- refusal to criticize the FED.
- Marxism for white people

Conservative or Libertarian

- free market and free trade
- consistently critical of big government
- against populism. Guided by principal
- pro individualism and anti communist or marxists
- against any sort of public funding
- infstrucgure should be based on demand from private enterprise.
- understand that government create perverse incentives economically. And current economic growth is a bubble and a farce.
- no more economic centralization. Market economy or bust.
- constantly asking for the abolishment of FED
- understands quantitative easing doesnt work, and is the gateway to socialism.


See the difference?
What are you going to do? Everyone likes money, especially someone else’s money.
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Old 06-10-2020, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Your assessment of the Trump administration was done with a blind eye, apparently.

For instance, you utterly ignored his mandate to repeal three regulations each time a new one is enacted. The actual number being repealed is somewhere in the 20s, for each new one, iirc. Totally absent from your "unabashed support for big government" charge.

"Anti free market and anti free trade" ignores that he's explicitly stated several times that the tariffs are a strategy, not an outcome. Free trade only works when both sides are playing by the same rules. I can see where he's going and each move makes sense.

Just a couple of examples, but you see where it's going. I'm not saying Trump is a conservative generally, because he isn't in a lot of ways, but your points are way off.

Also missing from your and everyone else's assessment is the fact that the executive branch is just one coequal branch of government. Your complaint about his asserting executive authority exists largely because democrats in congress aren't willing to work with him on anything, lest they be shunned as pariahs of the New Religion.

There are 537 people making up the elected body of the federal government, if my count is correct, and 535 of them escape virtually all blame, for some reason, despite being the ones who make careers of their "public service" and are the ones actually drafting the bad laws and passing them through two houses before a president gets blamed for the damage they do.
Maybe not each move for me but I agree with this, when it works. And it shouldn't be done for long.

My biggest problem with Trump is over not using veto power on increased spending and he can bring the troops home at anytime and chooses not too. Granted Afghanistan is somewhat winding down. Roughly the same number of troops we had when Trump got into office and it looks like they are living. Will they go elsewhere which makes hardly any difference in the scheme of things or will they come home where they belong?
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Old 06-10-2020, 02:23 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Show proof conservatives do? lol Nevermind proof is treason to you.

Sorry if you've turned a blind eye to the FACTS but it doesn't change them and the FACT is Conservatives despite claiming to favor smaller government and less spending consistently call for MORE spending and MORE expansion of the military which in every way, shape, and form IS part of the government. I guess the truth is anathema to you.
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Old 06-10-2020, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Obama has 78 after the first 3 years, and Trump has 161. Obama was heavily criticized for writing EOs
If an EO weakens the power of the Federal government it's good. Not that you are saying otherwise.
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Old 06-10-2020, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Sorry if you've turned a blind eye to the FACTS but it doesn't change them and the FACT is Conservatives despite claiming to favor smaller government and less spending consistently call for MORE spending and MORE expansion of the military which in every way, shape, and form IS part of the government. I guess the truth is anathema to you.
You have no proof it is conservatives. Hardly any left in congress.
The war mongering lefties vote in the war mongering Presidents who escalate and don't bring troops home. Every bit as bad as the right. YOU vote for them, I don't. Clean your own house first, it's filthy. The last President to bring the troops home was a republican.

I know truth is treason to you and the war mongers you back. Stop voting for them. Practice what you preach.
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