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Old 06-11-2020, 10:25 AM
 
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If you support NASCAR because of the Confederate Flag --- not much any of us can say. It is what it is -- it's done. You have to give up your support I guess.
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Old 06-11-2020, 10:30 AM
 
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If you support NASCAR because of the Confederate Flag --- not much any of us can say. It is what it is -- it's done. You have to give up your support I guess.
Personally, I don't watch NASCAR in the first place. Not my thing. I don't like the Confederate flag either. And for those who feel like "we're being treated badly", I don't care. I say let said persons pull their support away. I could care less.
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Old 06-11-2020, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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In the state of Minnesota, there is but one Confederate icon: a ratty old flag, no longer on public display. It came into Minnesotan hands in 1863, when First Minnesota Private Marshall Sherman captured it during the bloodbath at Gettysburg.

And so began a long and beautiful Minnesotan tradition of making sure Virginia never gets its racist flag back.

Years later, when the U.S. Government was trying to figure out how many of these captured flags it actually had, that fateful Virginian flag turned up missing. Though pretty much everybody knew where it was: St. Paul, Minnesota. It was being used as a prop in a big, dramatic diorama of the Battle of Gettysburg, complete with Sherman and his Confederate prize. Admission to go gawk at it was 50 cents for adults and a quarter for kids.

Later still, it was given to the Minnesota Historical Society, which displayed it for a while, then put it away somewhere where no human being has to lay eyes on it. And for 100 years, Virginia has been asking for it back—even suing for it, as a bunch of Virginian re-enactors tried to do in 1998. Then Attorney General Hubert Humphrey III told them to go fly a kite.

In 2000, Virginia legislators got involved, asking Governor Jesse Ventura to return their captured icon.

“Why?” he asked. “We won.”

In 2002, the U.S. Army chief of military history declared that a wool flag like the 28th Virginia should be housed in a Virginia military history museum. Minnesota thought it should be housed in the proud halls of Step Off, Virginia, It’s Never Going to Happen. Tim Pawlenty turned the Virginians down once more in 2003, and Mark Dayton did it again in 2013.

Who the hell wears the Confederate flag to the Minnesota State Fair? | City Pages

https://www.theatlantic.com/national...e-flag/313796/
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Old 06-11-2020, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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I don't think anyone will ever have to worry about denying history. What happened, happened, we all know that. Now it's time to move on and remove this symbol of hate.


You do know that not everyone considers the Confederate flag and monuments to be "symbols of hate"......

Right?

So.......what makes your feelings and opinions about them take precedence over theirs?
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Old 06-11-2020, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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So will you be joining the fight to level any and all monuments to Washington and Jefferson?

Will there be Pay-Per-View of the implosions?
Washington and Jefferson dud not rebel against the country they helped create.
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Old 06-11-2020, 10:46 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Awww, this must be so traumatic for him. Maybe he can fly the flag of his origin country.

https://twitter.com/MSN/status/1270877537950773248
Ciccarelli? A name firmly rooted in the formation and stewardship of the southern colonies, without doubt.

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Old 06-11-2020, 10:47 AM
 
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So dwell on the ANCIENT past to further DIVIDE people. We've addressed it over 50 years ago, and now you want to keep focusing ion non existent overblown racism. Purely to create chaos. You and the other Leftists are fabricating anger to destroy the country as we know it. You are the enemy.

Just because George Floyd, a career, violent criminal was killed by a cop doesn't mean the country is Racist. IT IS NOT. Stop promoting a LIE.
That flag is old news.. they lost. Why should anyone be upset for not being able to fly the flag of a defeated army?
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Old 06-11-2020, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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The confederate flag is not history. It is a symbol that represents southern trash.



History is written in books and wiki, etc.


History is subject to the opinion of those who write it.

And your opinion on "southern trash" is as relevant as my opinion on Liberal California trash.

Southern people love their home and their country.

Apparently moreso than you.
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Old 06-11-2020, 10:48 AM
 
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Its just a flag right, a piece of cloth. Could somebody here please explain what is so damned offensive about a piece of cloth? Describe in detail if you can.

I see nothing wrong with it.

If it’s just cloth why are you upset you can’t fly it at a race event?
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Old 06-11-2020, 10:48 AM
 
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You do know that not everyone considers the Confederate flag and monuments to be "symbols of hate"......

Right?

So.......what makes your feelings and opinions about them take precedence over theirs?
Maybe not, but many do. Why not be the bigger man and try not to offend those who are offended? The confederates went to war because of the slavery issue. I know it it was federalism, but still, it was slavery. Do you not see how many might have a problem with that? It's like the swastika. A symbol of hatred and murder. Why not just put it away? Leave it in the past where it belongs. Why would anybody want to celebrate the symbol of a bloody, messy war that was lost?

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