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Old 06-11-2020, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Amazing, how areas of Arizona full of retirees and small household sizes like Sierra Vista, Lake Havasu, Prescott have not have not had as many COVID-19 issues as cities full of tiny homes, large households with often times many children and grandparents under one roof of a shack like in the Phoenix (city proper) and Yuma.

Phoenix and Yuma have tremendous amounts of three generational households. Phoenix and Yuma have also huge amounts of households that have 5+ children each compared to a majority of the country and many times they are asymptomatic community carriers.

Prescott, Sierra Vista decided that they wanted to nice spacious housing and lots of American retirees.

While Prescott and Sierra Vista have very low amounts of COVID-19 community spread, Yuma and Phoenix have tremendous COVID-19 crisis much of this is the small sizes of the dweilling and large household sizes.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...zona/PST045219

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/map-ari...es-by-zip-code

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Old 06-11-2020, 08:21 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I was going to post something very similar, but was afraid of getting flamed / infraction...
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Old 06-11-2020, 08:54 PM
 
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So people close together spread the infection? Um, yeah... Like every other virus on the planet.
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Old 06-11-2020, 08:58 PM
 
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Arizona still has a lower infection and death rate than the U.S. average. The cases have spiked compared to the low numbers they had before. I also have a therapy the reason the states with extreme summer heat like TX, AZ, and FL are seeing their spikes now is people are crowding inside air conditioned buildings as opposed to being outside in places that have summers that aren't as hot.
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Old 06-11-2020, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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So it's basically showing up in the poor and minority communities? (of which there is unfortunately much overlap). Seems to add to my theory that in places with poorer people, the people are not being treated and unfortunately in our country there is a lot of overlap between low-income and non-white areas especially in denser areas. I really wish I could run an undercover sting where the response of doctors in different areas is recorded when presented with a patient displaying corona symptoms. I'd be willing to bet that it would be statistically significant that the poorer/non-white areas get nothing more than "probably corona, you're now a statistic, good luck, hope you don't die" while the better off areas actually get an attempt at treatment. The treatment until basically March for a non-specific respiratory infection was an antibiotic and steroid or other anti-inflammatory. But, places like hospitals and clinics are more likely to strictly follow cdc/who/chinese-occupation guidance [of no treatment] as a CYA, than a family doctor in a middle-class area.
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Old 06-11-2020, 09:26 PM
 
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Arizona still has a lower infection and death rate than the U.S. average. The cases have spiked compared to the low numbers they had before. I also have a therapy the reason the states with extreme summer heat like TX, AZ, and FL are seeing their spikes now is people are crowding inside air conditioned buildings as opposed to being outside in places that have summers that aren't as hot.
Oh no summer is too hot and sends people inside....

CAn't keep up with the spinning.
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Old 06-12-2020, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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So it's basically showing up in the poor and minority communities? (of which there is unfortunately much overlap). Seems to add to my theory that in places with poorer people, the people are not being treated and unfortunately in our country there is a lot of overlap between low-income and non-white areas especially in denser areas. I really wish I could run an undercover sting where the response of doctors in different areas is recorded when presented with a patient displaying corona symptoms. I'd be willing to bet that it would be statistically significant that the poorer/non-white areas get nothing more than "probably corona, you're now a statistic, good luck, hope you don't die" while the better off areas actually get an attempt at treatment. The treatment until basically March for a non-specific respiratory infection was an antibiotic and steroid or other anti-inflammatory. But, places like hospitals and clinics are more likely to strictly follow cdc/who/chinese-occupation guidance [of no treatment] as a CYA, than a family doctor in a middle-class area.
Anecdotal of course, but there’ve been enough reports of POC being turned away from ERs who exhibited symptoms and later died to suggest that your thesis would be fully validated.

What we are seeing now are the results of years of systemic bias due to profit-driven “care.”

Whatever the reason for AZ’s spike, it’s a shame that the state didn’t do a better job with prevention.
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Old 06-12-2020, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Anecdotal of course, but there’ve been enough reports of POC being turned away from ERs who exhibited symptoms and later died to suggest that your thesis would be fully validated.

What we are seeing now are the results of years of systemic bias due to profit-driven “care.”

Whatever the reason for AZ’s spike, it’s a shame that the state didn’t do a better job with prevention.
Non-anecdotally, Arizona did much better than Colorado as their deaths per million are just over half what they are in Colorado.

Non-anecdotally as well is the high rates of infection and deaths in the Native American population which would tie up nicely with the thread narrative.

Ever notice that anecdotal is the new buzz word for liberal spinners?
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Old 06-12-2020, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Anecdotal of course, but there’ve been enough reports of POC being turned away from ERs who exhibited symptoms and later died to suggest that your thesis would be fully validated.

What we are seeing now are the results of years of systemic bias due to profit-driven “care.”

Whatever the reason for AZ’s spike, it’s a shame that the state didn’t do a better job with prevention.
How would you explain the not for profit care in much of Europe having deaths per infection of over 10% and some over 20% while our horrible for profit care is only seeing death per infection of around 5.5% compared to 18.8% in France?
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Old 06-12-2020, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Amazing, how areas of Arizona full of retirees and small household sizes like Sierra Vista, Lake Havasu, Prescott have not have not had as many COVID-19 issues as cities full of tiny homes, large households with often times many children and grandparents under one roof of a shack like in the Phoenix (city proper) and Yuma.
Population...
Ohio: 11.6 Million
Arizona: 7.2 Million

Cases last 7 days....
Ohio: 3,162
Arizona: 8,602 Biggest Loser

Cases/100,000....
Ohio: 338.6
Arizona: 416.3 Biggest Loser

Massive thread fail.

Give it up already.
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