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A taser in itself is not a deadly weapon, however, a taser is a device which can immobilize a person, in this case a pursuing cop who is armed, and while immobilized, the person can take possession of the cop's gun.
The issue here though is there are two cops in pursuit, so it is a bit iffy if deadly force was justified with two, while if it was one there is no question it would be justified. Of course an investigation into this would provide more clarity and answers, but seems the gov and people want a knee jerk reaction like some uncivilized mob.
If i were the cop who was being fired on by a violent criminal with a taser that could immobilise me, I wouldn't leave the outcome in the hands of a third party and hope for the best, I would defend my life.
Two cops were chasing him so him shooting one with the taser and grabbing the cops gun while his partner is 4 yards away is highly unlikely. I swear you guys make stuff up as you go. I make this as clear as possible. A cop is only to use deadly force if his life or someone else life is in immediate danger. So the question here is dependent on the question was the cop life in immediate danger when he fired his weapon. The fact that they just fought the bad guy is not the deciding factor here. They were not fighting him at the time he was shot. I'm not picking sides here but simply asking questions both sides are going to ask.
Well you are plain wrong as a matter of fact with regard to use of deadly force.
With regard to the bold, is "unlikely" the gamble you would be prepared to take if it were your life on the line?
The persons left behind in those neighborhoods aren't thinking about that. Yes, I agree that a good education helps. On the flip side, I think about the dynamic we're seeing. I'm seeing people who shoot and ask questions later. People who have deep reserves of anger and don't think about what their doing when they're angry. Anger and short term thinking. What can one do with that?
Those who refuse to think long-term will fail. I do not waste time thinking about them. Their failure was self-inflicted.
Cities will de-populate, far more than most realize, after the multiple rounds of riots.
So the left behind failures will only have their neighbors to harm. Problem contained.
Wendy's called the cops, so it is their fault. According to some people, a dude sleeping in the drive thru should not have the cops called on him.
He was blocking the the drive thru, at night. Which means he ignored the sound of honking.
And considering he was in a drunken rage, calling the cops was the correct thing to do.
Do you want to be the 10pm burger flipper that wakes up a random sleeping man in an ATL parking lot and tells him to leave or you’re calling the cops? I didn’t think so.
And progressives want social workers to answer that call, why? So the perp can beat them up too?
He was running from two cops when he fired the taser at one of them. So you are saying it is justified to shoot him because he could have hit the officer with the taser and took his weapon while the cops partner is 4 yards away. Now I would agree with you if he would have turned and advanced toward the officer.
The fact that he was running is irrelevant. The simple fact is he fired the taser at the cops, and had previously shown his intent to inflict injury on the cops.
You seem to think this is a video game or something. Of course he could disarm the immobilised cop within seconds, and of course the other cop could miss or not inflict an immediately mortal or incapacitating injury. It isn't a movie where someone dies immediately when hit by a round.
If i were the cop who was being fired on by a violent criminal with a taser that could immobilise me, I wouldn't leave the outcome in the hands of a third party and hope for the best, I would defend my life.
Did the person fire the taser or about to? I cannot recall, all I recall is they were pursuing him, got to go read again.
You are correct though, this is where an investigation suppose to take place for these answers. Two cops pursuing yes, he uses the taser on one, so, now the one cop standing use deadly force? Should any cop risk as you said? The guy already proven to be able to wrestle and get a hold of a taser, should both of those cops trust it will not happen again, or worse, get a hold of a gun?
We are asking cops to make such decisions in a few seconds, and for that decision to be 100% correct.
So yeah, I’m going to go ahead and say criminal behavior and violence is not the answer.
You said it’s “too late” for black criminals out there. Really? It’s “too late” to decrease the homicide rate?
That was not meant to be a defense for criminal behavior. I'm simply telling it like it is. This is why people are doing what they do. It's not an excuse. It's simply the way it is. And this is why I've said that for some of these individuals, it's too late. We're talking about a subculture of persons who shoot and ask questions later. We're dealing with people who've dealt in violence their whole lives. It's all they know. They're not going to listen to you or me. All they've known to understand is violence. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. The only way murder rates have even gone down in most cities effectively is gentrification. Many of those violent criminals only stop after being killed. Those Black people who aren't criminals will look for any way to get out of the neighborhood.
By the way, I know plenty about those statistics. I also know it's one specific part of the Black population involved in this, the underclass. The underclass keeps on doing what they do.
I've never once said that violent behavior is the answer. You can't point to a time where I've said it was the answer. I've never advocated violence. I've said that for many of these individuals, violence is the only thing they know. By the time they're 20, some of them don't care if they live or die. Tell me this. What can you do with an individual who doesn't care if they live or die? What do you do about someone who has such severe anger issues, to the point where they shoot (in some cases literally shoot) and ask questions later? The time to have reached those individuals to keep them from criminal behavior was like age 5 or 6. I've even said in other threads that many of those individuals were raised in violent households.
Immediate danger and physical harm is one in the same
You said Life is in immediate danger. That is obviously not the same as physical harm.
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