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Old 06-14-2020, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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If the government fails to establish Justice and insure domestic Tranquility, then the government has failed in upholding its Constitutional duty.

And if the drivers are afraid to do their jobs, they should look into another professions. They have not required police escorts in the past, but for whatever reason they feel they will need them in the future.

That is why I mentioned providing an incentive to deliver to areas that are experiencing increased disorder. Do you not think that in certain situations they could be at risk. Have you seen what has happened to truckers across the country? You speak as if these fears are completely unfounded. Until you have put yourself in that position, it is hard to gauge how you would feel in that situation.

It is the government’s constitutional duty to insure domestic tranquillity and justice. So are you suggesting that the government deploy national guard in areas that are experiencing increasing disorder, so that the truckers would have a force to enable them to deliver much needed supplies to keep our nation running?
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Old 06-14-2020, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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Seriously? You are calling truckers cowards? Truckers have put their lives on the line to keep food and supplies coming into every corner of the US through this pandemic. They have had to deal with no truck stops, no showers, no restaurants and all the rest, so everybody can have milk and hamburger and TP and who knows what else, and you are calling them cowards?
They are speaking from a place of privilege, it seems they haven’t had to put themselves in a precarious situation like that, judging by the callous manner that they shrug of these concerns of a much needed workforce that makes up a great bulk of the working class.
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Old 06-14-2020, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Lame. I am obviously talking about how brave truckers are, while you are obviously taking about the opposite. Really lame.
Most people are brave enough to drive in American cities, but maybe you do not understand that the whole thread is about the drivers saying they wont deliver to certain places because they are afraid. That is their argument, not mine.

Are you saying they are lying about it? If you are, then that would be lame indeed.

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It is the government’s constitutional duty to insure domestic tranquillity and justice. So are you suggesting that the government deploy national guard in areas that are experiencing increasing disorder, so that the truckers would have a force to enable them to deliver much needed supplies to keep our nation running?
A competent government would get together and list all possible options and then choose the course of action, while you seem to think the NG is the only option.
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Old 06-14-2020, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Forest bathing
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Inert works too. Mayor Jenny in Seattle and Gov Inslee are both inert. Just sitting there, not in any kind of motion.
This reminds me of the Electric Light Orchestra song “Turn To Stone”. They have been either silent or make inane comments: “Summer of Love”, “I wasn’t aware of that”.

Btw, Trader Joes has indefinitely shut their doors in the Capitol Hill area.
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Old 06-14-2020, 09:23 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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Most people are brave enough to drive in American cities, but maybe you do not understand that the whole thread is about the drivers saying they wont deliver to certain places because they are afraid. That is their argument, not mine.

Are you saying they are lying about it? If you are, then that would be lame indeed.
Having good reason to fear for your life is not the same as being, in your words, "afraid to do their jobs."

What is your job? If mob rule and violent thugs were the norm at your place of work, would you also be "afraid" to do your job or go to work? Would you say, gee I should stop being a dentist? Or would you say, I don't think I will be a dentist in this particular area any more?

Truckers refusing to deliver to a violent crime infested area is no different than a retail store declining to open a store in a violent, crime infested area. Stores are not being afraid; they are they making a wise and informed decision, and so are truckers.

No one has a right to have goods delivered to them.
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Old 06-14-2020, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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Not only do they need to worry about Coronavirus but rioters, looters, and killers now. I would not deliver if I were a truck driver nor want family members to either. Next, people in marginalized communities with no transportation will complain about lack of food. The buses and trains will not run either due to fear of arson, assault and murder. The schools that would have opened in September may be permanently shut down in certain parts of town. Regular people will not venture outside their homes and walks in the park, walking the dog, cycling with the kids could become dangerous in some areas. The only solution may be martial law and incarcerating these young vandals who burn, loot, assault and murder. Only when their parents are provided with the bills will anything be done. Burned police station, $60 million, burned school $50 million, 2 metro stations $999 million - property taxes for those who have not yet fled have increased 40%. Amazon may stop delivering as could UPS and the post office. No local food delivery - thugs turn to canibalism to feed themselves - women and children of all ages and older men are the victims. Just trying to predict the future. Thugs turn into killer gangs and an inter-gang war is initiated as the cities descend into chaos. Five people remain - all others have been murdered as thugs turned on each other after everyone else had been decimated.
Perhaps a bit dire but I did get a laugh out of the highlighted phrase!
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Old 06-14-2020, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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Most people are brave enough to drive in American cities, but maybe you do not understand that the whole thread is about the drivers saying they wont deliver to certain places because they are afraid. That is their argument, not mine.

Are you saying they are lying about it? If you are, then that would be lame indeed.

A competent government would get together and list all possible options and then choose the course of action, while you seem to think the NG is the only option.
Did I say that is the only option? Something to restore the order would be on the table. What other suggestions do you propose? Since you’re talking about the constitutional duty (federal) to insure domestic tranquillity. You are just deflecting at this point.
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Old 06-14-2020, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Having good reason to fear for your life is not the same as being, in your words, "afraid to do their jobs."

What is your job? If mob rule and violent thugs were the norm at your place of work, would you also be "afraid" to do your job or go to work? Would you say, gee I should stop being a dentist? Or would you say, I don't think I will be a dentist in this particular area any more?
Anyone who is afraid to do their job should consider other alternatives. Its common sense, but it seems to offend you for some reason. Not everyone is cut out to be a cop for example, or serve in the military. Public speaking seems to terrify some people, so guess what? They should probably stay away from jobs that require lot of public speaking.
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Old 06-14-2020, 09:33 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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Anyone who is afraid to do their job should consider other alternatives. Its common sense, but it seems to offend you for some reason. Not everyone is cut out to be a cop for example, or serve in the military. Public speaking seems to terrify some people, so guess what? They should probably stay away from jobs that require lot of public speaking.
It strikes me as really odd that your position is to blame the truckers, instead of the violent thugs.

Public speaking never killed anyone last I checked.
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Old 06-14-2020, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Did I say that is the only option? Something to restore the order would be on the table. What other suggestions do you propose? Since you’re talking about the constitutional duty (federal) to insure domestic tranquillity. You are just deflecting at this point.
Order has been restored for the most part since the current protests have been peaceful for the most part. We lack leadership and bridge-builders. All we have is "divide and conquer" at federal level who suggest that a 75 yr man would crack his own skull for political gain, or that its ok to assault a peaceful crowd so the president can do a photo op. We needed a message saying the protestors have been heard, and improvements are being worked on.

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It strikes me as really odd that your position is to blame the truckers, instead of the violent thugs.
Blame the truckers for what? It strikes me as odd that you can't comprehend simple language.
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