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There is a world of difference when you enter a school in a rough neighborhood where gangs are prevalent.
Being accused of stealing a wallet vs having a knife to your throat in the boys bathroom while other kids are running down the hall screaming for help.
There is nothing keeping a school from calling the cops, or from using a metal detector to keep knives out of the school. What isn't productive is having cops roaming around all day bored silly looking for something to do and as a result calling a playground fight an assault and battery. In my opinion what you are describing is a failed school and it should be shut down and the students sent to other schools.
No there aren't any schools that need school resource officers. If a school has gotten so bad that there are knife fights in the restroom that school should be permanently shut down, conditions like that do not occur overnight and they can't be fixed by police officers.
You can shut down the schools and then where do the kids go ?
The school is not the problem. It's the neighborhood in which the school resides.
I will tell you that I was shocked when I went there the first week as a Math tutor.
I come from middle class suburban and my son went to middle class suburban public school.
There was one school I got sent to that I lasted one week and told them I would not go back because I feared for my physical safety. I had an "escort" that brought me to various classrooms for my tutoring.
There is nothing keeping a school from calling the cops, or from using a metal detector to keep knives out of the school. What isn't productive is having cops roaming around all day bored silly looking for something to do and as a result calling a playground fight an assault and battery. In my opinion what you are describing is a failed school and it should be shut down and the students sent to other schools.
I'm sorry that you perceive that is what resource officers do.
I suggest you volunteer in a Title 1 school in an inner city for a while.
I would say this is probably a good idea, We didnt have a dedicated resource officer when I was in high school, I think they named one the year after I graduated though.
We never had any of the problems seen today in schools, so maybe the best way is to make it like it used to be in the early 90s.
Really? The reason the Clinton Administration put the Cops In Schools program on steroids was exactly because of the problems in schools in the early 90s.
You can shut down the schools and then where do the kids go ?
The school is not the problem. It's the neighborhood in which the school resides.
I will tell you that I was shocked when I went there the first week as a Math tutor.
I come from middle class suburban and my son went to middle class suburban public school.
There was one school I got sent to that I lasted one week and told them I would not go back because I feared for my physical safety. I had an "escort" that brought me to various classrooms for my tutoring.
I said it before, I will say it again. Close the school, bus the kids to other schools. There are title I schools all over the US, but they don't have 12 year old kids involved in knife fights. The one thing I liked about NCLB is that parents had the right to insist that their child be transferred to a different school if those kinds of conditions existed.
And what I described is exactly what they did in the schools my kids went to. Oh and on top of doing nothing they would occasionally dress up as the D.A.R.E mascot and tell the kids enough about drugs that they couldn't wait to try them to find out how bad they really were. Having Police in schools is an over reaction and tends to create far more problems than they solve.
Yeah, saw that one coming... when the next school shooting happens, which it will, people will blame the police, not the schools for removing them in the first place.
It's only "good" until it happens to their family...when the shooter takes out a bunch of school kids and one of them is their child...I have visited Middle schools and trust me, you need school police (and that was in a decent neighborhood).
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There are some schools that really do need resource officers.
These are the ones in the rough neighborhoods where opposing gang members all attend the same school.
Are you going to send a counselor into the bathroom to break up a knife fight between 2 gang members ?
I worked in a school where the first thing every morning was to give a look up and down at the students and have them remove/cover up their gang colors on their clothes. This was middle school....12-14 years old.
I agree, I'm sure there are some schools who need cops - and in the case of a gang knife fight, it seems the school can call the cops still. Because a crime is occurring - that would also be considered a crime off school grounds.
There is a school district in the Dallas Fort Worth area that uses the campus "resource" police to handle routine disciplinary actions. Mouthing off to a teacher, minor property destruction like writing on a bathroom wall, small scuffles that don't rise to the level of assault, habitual tardiness, etc. Things the school discipline system should handle through Saturday detentions or other traditional methods.
For being disruptive in a classroom, the students can be charged with the CRIME of disrupting public education and graduate high school with an adult misdemeanor record - 17 year olds are adults in Texas, for the purposes of the criminal court.
And certainly cops don't belong in elementary schools except as a community building exercise or some kind of public education assembly.
I personally was THRILLED to see that duty taken off the police in our area, and put where it belongs. The Vice Principal of the school.
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