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Take down a statue
Rename a street
Confederate and even some state flags should be abolished
Does history not matter at all anymore? Maybe I can see certain things changed or abolished because they represent pure evil, like a swastika. But for instance here in Boston, they renamed the street in front of Fenway Park from Yawkey Way to Jersey Street because the Red Sox were the last team to have a black player.
Where is the blurred line? How far does this movement go? And is this movement of name changing and statue removal really beneficial to the overall cause, or are there better ways to approach it?
Last edited by metalmancpa; 06-14-2020 at 10:18 AM..
It stops when the normal people, the silent majority who pay taxes, follow the rules and aren't extremists one way or the other get fed up and demand it stops.
I was heartened when Boston had Italian Americans protesting the removal of the Christopher Columbus statue and Tampa had a rally in support of the police. A mob should not get to decide for everyone else what statues we are allowed to have
It's only because it's an election year, and the side crying about this has a good chance of losing. If they win, watch all this disappear and things stay the same. If they lose, watch this disappear and then the "Russia, Russia, Russia" chant comes back while they flood the country with more immigrants that they will put into the Black neighborhoods because the Black vote is failing them yet again.
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Take down a statue
Rename a street
Confederate and even some state flags should be abolished
Does history not matter at all anymore? Maybe I can see certain things changed or abolished because they represent pure evil, like a swastika. But for instance here in Boston, they renamed the street in front of Fenway Park from Yawkey Way to Jersey Street because the Red Sox were the last team to have a black player.
Where is the blurred line? How far does this movement go? And is this movement of name changing and statue removal really beneficial to the overall cause, or are there better ways to approach it?
As far as they can get away with moving the goalposts.
OMG yeah. I remember when wedding couples got pressured to stop using wedding venues that had anything to do with plantations! Gorgeous venues, virtue-signaled right out of existence.
Take down a statue
Rename a street
Confederate and even some state flags should be abolished
Does history not matter at all anymore? Maybe I can see certain things changed or abolished because they represent pure evil, like a swastika. But for instance here in Boston, they renamed the street in front of Fenway Park from Yawkey Way to Jersey Street because the Red Sox were the last team to have a black player.
Where is the blurred line? How far does this movement go? And is this movement of name changing and statue removal really beneficial to the overall cause, or are there better ways to approach it?
Have you heard about what is happening at Clemson and at The University of Texas?
Clemson, after years of complaints, renamed Tillman Hall and Calhoun Honors College. Tillman was an SOB by all accounts (to put it mildly). I don't necessarily mind changing the names of those things (got my Master's degree at Clemson) but I am bothered by two things:
First, the statement that Clemson University put out that the renaming had to do with George Floyd and the usual comments about self-reflection. There has been a push to have these name changes done for at least five years. Are they sincere or are they caving to mob mentality?
Second, why stop at those two names? Thomas Green Clemson (Calhoun's son in law) was pro slavery and fought for the confederacy. Why isn't his name racist? The land the university occupies was once worked by slaves. Isn't that racist? How about Pickens County, the name of the County where Clemson is?
As for Calhoun, there are literally dozens upon dozens of places named after him. Calhoun County, Calhoun Falls State Park, Calhoun, GA, Fort Calhoun, NE, Calhoun HS, and dozens more. Shouldn't all those names be changed?
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What's happening at The University of Texas is even more interesting. The football players have issued a statement with a list of demands. They say they will practice and play (one said he won't play at all), but not recruit or meet with donors, until their demands are met. These include: changing the name of the stadium (to be named after the first black football player at UT); doing away with the song "Eyes of Texas"; renaming several buildings; removing several statues and replacing them with statues created by POC; donating .5% of athletic revenues to BLM (estimated to be at least $1MM); and requiring freshmen to take a course on the history of racism at UT.
My understanding is that several of those building names, statues, and the song are points of contention. Requiring donations to BLM and requirements to take a course on the history of racism at the campus seem trickier.
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All this to say, I don't know where the renaming of things ends. Most people have no clue why something is named as it is. I don't agree with honoring terrible people but I also don't agree with extortionist demands. Also how do we erase the whole history of the southern states?
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